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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6733116)

Ideally they both should have been executed

1,000 % This.

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6734441)

Or... we could send them to prison and keep them warm and comfortable at our own expense for the rest of their lives. Then some hand-wringing liberals who are already worrying about the wellbeing of this pair of *******ers, use the Human Rights Act to ensure they aren't mistreated. They'll be ensured access to books and education, religious freedom, a special diet fed to them in three square meals a day, medical treatment, recreation, protection from other prisoners and a pretty cushy time for the rest of their pathetic lives considering what they did to that young soldier and his family.

Oh no wait... that's what we've done.

Hang them, stop them existing in this world. I don't think that's blood-lust or revenge, I think that's justice - the kind of justice they themselves would recognise.

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6734521)

When are they going to stop the killing and "be the better person", or is it just the responsibility of this society in this country? It seems it is. Make exceptions for people who terrorise and act like savages but at least we get to say we didn't retaliate. We just took it. Again.

I'd like to see the evidence that backs up this country having got off lightly because people protested against the Iraq war. I'm sure that's a great comfort to all the people who've suffered from terrorist attrocities. So all we have to do is keep taking it and not retaliate. You know, eventually we will run out of cheeks.

That's very magnanimous of Lee Rigby's family to say they feel justice has been done. Personally speaking, if I could get my hands on the person who set the IED that led to my husband's death I'd happily tear him apart with my bare hands, and I'd take my time... and I'd smile while I was doing it.

And I would willingly help you.

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Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6734568)

This isn't a new scenario, where the terrorism of one religion dominates the world. You don't change peoples ideologies by having bigger guns, and being more or equally lethal, you do it through actions and dialogue over time. I've never heard of anyone changing their mind on an issue after being beaten into submission. You beat them through debate in the public sphere. You show our values against their values. You show the majority of them the best of us, and they will take care of their own minority.

It's not a fight to see who has the most strength, and who can kill the most people, it's a fight of competing ideologies and methods. It's that simple - we've tried meeting fire with fire and how exactly has that worked out for us?

Youtube video

Watch from about 4:10 to the end.

And I'm sure us taking the piss out of them since the crusades to the present day, offers them equal comfort when we say our troops aren't over there to cause them any harm. Just as another drone lands.

We can go back and forth on this issue as many times as you like, but it just comes down to our own personal beliefs on how a modern Britain should respond to terrorism.

Killing more people has never been the answer to anything, ever. That's just my world view. It doesn't mean I want to fan them with big leafs and feed them grapes as I'm gazing and my naval, and wringing my hands, or any other cliche about liberalism, it just means that I don't want people to be murdered as a means of a punishment.

I admire your pacifistic passion, but in my view - with respect to you - it is sadly misplaced when dealing with the evil, inhuman scum we are discussing here.

I would not harm a fly in my garden, nor go scouring the sewers to kill rats, but I would think nothing of reaching for the fly spray or rat poison should such disease carrying vermin enter my home.

Talking to cold-blooded, terrorist murderers or trying to appease them, is as futile as trying to reason with the above vermin to leave my home - debate and discussion demand someone who is genuinely willing to listen to you and who will sincerely try to understand what you are saying, as well as a common language in which to communicate. Sadistic fundamentalist butchers only speak and understand one language - violence.

Unilateral pacifism - like unilateral disarmament - achieves nothing except enabling your enemy - in this case, these Islamic Fundamentalist bastards - to achieve their aim more easily and quickly, and that aim is total subjugation of every individual, every race, every nation which is not Islamic.

You write; "I've never heard of anyone changing their mind on an issue after being beaten into submission." Try preaching that to the innocent victims of Jihadi John or any of the hundreds of thousands of other innocents who these insane monsters have slaughtered and 'beat into terrified submission'.

As for: "You don't change peoples ideologies by having bigger guns, and being more or equally lethal, you do it through actions and dialogue over time." -- Well time is something we frankly do not have, because these barbaric fundamentalist butchers self proclaimed true agenda is to conquer country after country, so unless you can talk these mad beasts into a ceasefire, and a cessation of all their butchering and bombing whilst we implement your "Action and dialogue over time" proposition, then I'm afraid "bigger guns and being more lethal" will do for me.

In addition, I've seen the results of "dialogue" with madmen -- In 1938 Adolf The Turd signed a 'non-aggression pact', guaranteeing not to go to war with Britain. 'Peace for our time' the pacifistic dreamer Chamberlain called it.

And well before that, the Roman Emperor Valerian negotiated 'peace talks' with his enemy Sharpur I after the battle of Edessa. Valerian rode with a small entourage into Sharpur's camp and was instantly betrayed and taken prisoner. Valerian spent the rest of his life in miserable captivity as the personal slave of Sharpur who even used him as his personal 'mounting stool'. Upon death, Valerian was skinned and his corpse hung up to rot as a warning to all Sharpur's enemies not to cross him.

As with Adolf, I think Valerian's rotting corpse should have served as a warning to all Sharpur's enemies not to trust him.

As we should never trust these barbaric demented Islamic Fundamentalists either.

I am sorry that I cannot agree with what you say, but I do respect your right to say it.

Remember this was at the time not a crime based on religious intolerance, it was a symbolic act designed to raise awareness of the grievances they had towards British foreign policy.
It is a predominantly political agenda that is moving light years away from religion at breakneck speed.

These are not inherently evil people, these are radicalised people who have been indoctrinated to believe that brutality and murder are a way of thrusting their ideologies into public consciousness by means of force.
These individuals are perceived to be 100% at fault, they delivered the act personally but the rot at source that is feeding poison is also to blame.

One issue I have with the video however is it throws up another question, during the conversation with the bomb maker it is suggested that he is unaware that the British were against the war; However there have been suicide bombers and radicals from Britain.. Surely they know as a nation we were not 100% behind our government in the decision to go to war?