Totally agree, however I have to say, I think when certain groups of people like the homeless and also immigrants and even the sick and disabled are presented as people to be 'demonised' as unnecessary and a waste of resources by those in power ,rather than demonstrating full and committed passion to protecting them and helping them.
Then you will get these mindless people who think they,the homeless are fair game to be 'got' at.

The point is that if Govts. who have the resources, wealth and more to the point power to adddress such issues as homelessness did so, then they would not be seen as such easy targets as this poor guy was possibly
Helping to demonise such people and ignoring such issues or even adding to the problems via policy implemented only fuels the rotten way these 3 girls acted towards this guy.

Of course these girls were 100% wrong and really for me they should be in prison and off the streets.
Compassion and understanding of the needs of the homeless by those in power could just maybe remove the stigma attached to the homeless as being all just simply scroungers as they have done with benefit claimants too.

Homelessness and the issue of it along with others at the bottom end of the scale as many have said on this thread already, is something that needs to be dealt with by those elected to power, doing nothing,like this lot are doing but adding to the problem, will only help very sadly to see more of these mindless attacks on people who are homeless in my view.

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nasty Evil bitches

Do we know if the man did anything to provoke them?

Maybe he said something or touched one up?

and also from the "mail" report

"Posing as students, the Mail witnessed the assault at 10pm as revellers left the second of six scheduled bars."


Posing as students? - wtf is that about?

lmaoo at his pants coming down

So in just 4 years, really a very short time in the grand scheme of things, the Coalition government has turned all newspapers, all media outlets, all the country against homeless people? They've engineered a campaign which has altered the mindset of the whole country, turned friendly and caring people into vicious and violent thugs? Transformed a nation of charity givers into cruel individualists who hate the poor and only look out for themselves? Come off it.

If you blame laissez faire capitalism then you blame Labour as well as the Conservatives. Whether you like to admit it or not the parties are not that far apart ideologically. Since Blair the Labour party have supported capitalism and the free market just as the Conservatives always do. It's nonsense to make 2010 a watershed in the way that the homeless were treated, I don't exactly remember a lot of flattering headlines or positive schemes to help the homeless before then. I don't remember waves of compassion emanating from media outlets under New Labour. To say that there was is just rose tinted glasses imo.

You can't provoke someone into attacking you. You can only put your hands on another person to defend yourself.

That's legal advice, that is. That'll be £300.

Really? Would you be laughing if it was a woman who's trousers had been pulled down by a gang of men attacking her?

He may have asked for spare change
no need to attack him like that

Great post, MTVN.

I have to say yes over the last 4yrs the demonisation towards immigrants and welfare claimants has seemed to have stepped up apace over the last couple of years via the media, the term 'poverty porn' springs to mind.
It may have always existed, what I'm suggesting is that it is now becoming the 'norm'.
This is only my view of course.

Agree with this however whilst I don't agree with people who go to these extremes to villify homeless people I can understand that given the sheer pressure to survive in todays modern world and with people trying to cope with this pressure by say holding down 2 or 3 jobs just to make ends meet, being confronted and sometimes harrassed by people begging for money can invoke a negative reaction.

They probably feel that they are working hard to keep their heads above the waterline and for beggars to expect to just be given their hard earned cash is unacceptable.

Coupled with stories of people begging for a living it can portray begging in a bad light.

The reality however is that some people have desperate problems and have fallen through society's safety net. they do need our help however regardless of how bad a day we have had.

But throwing a few coins down to assuage one's guilt is no real solution, As a society we need to have far more resources available to help people, not spikes in the ground outside entrances to buildings





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Totally joey well said I wholeheartedly agree, from a sociological as well as a political on this is apparent but I can understand how it isn't immediately obvious to some.

Completely agree with this....this country has been going this way for many years, not just the last 4.

You thug! :fist:

Well no one was made homeless before because of something like the bedroom tax that has brought sheer misery and an impossibility almost to cope with that extra burden.
That has certainly only come in during the last 4 years and if you cannot pay it and there is no other right sized housing to go to,then you get evicted for rent arrears.
That adds to the homeless,which means there are more of the homeless to attack.
That is a very sad and bad reflection on society and those who lead the Country too.

Also charities have had grants cut,the CAB centres are stretched to well over their limits as to helping people who are homeless and less and less is available to make the homeless more safe.
That is again something that has only happened over the last 4 years due to the austerity measures of this coalition Govt. which is helping add to the homeless problem.

Of course there have always been homeless people,Princess Diana was endlessly highlighting the plight of the homeless right up to her death in 1997.
However, these girls are more an unwelcome part of society than even the homeless are and I hope they are dealt with very severely.

I hate to even admit it but I find it disgusting any Govt in the UK in this time would cut resources and not help to address the homeless problem.
Make sure they are safe at night at the very least and also at the very least still afford some respect to their dignity that they should be afforded as human beings.

When something like that is in place then mindless,rotten people like these 3 individuals could have little or even no opportunity to carry out such cowardly and in fact criminal acts against those who may be vulnerable.
To say other govts. have done nothing is all well and good, and it is right to point out and condemn them too.
However the Govt. that is in now is the only one at present who could be addressing the needs of the homeless rather than adding even more burdens and numbers to the homeless too.

I just thought you'd like to know about it, since you were quick to point out Ammi's earlier faux pas.

I agree with this. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. My kids aren't going around beating people up and they have the same society and government as these girls do.

I honestly don't think its right to blame the parents if their kids turn out to be twats. You can do everything right and your kid can still turn out to be an asshole.

True. But if it's not the parents' fault, I don't see how the government can be to blame.

I think people are looking into the whole incident far too deeply. I'm sure there's tons of cases like this over the years that haven't got reported in the way this has. It's mental in and outside clubs and bars all over the country. Some people want to fight or attack for no reason when they've had a few.

Yummy welsh

eeeeexactly.

I think its just unfortunate timing this story coming out so close to the studs one :laugh:

..yeah Joe..sometime there is no 'psycholgy' to it at all/people just behave badly on night's out...

An attack on anyone is not the Govts. or Parents faults, no one is even saying that. However this was an attack,a cowardly attack by 3 people on a homeless person.
These 3 people who attacked him have homes to go to, have likely varied lives,they see someone homeless on the streets and then attack him,who can answer fully as to why they would do such a rotten act.

For me part of the answer to this particular problem and attack would be to ensure people homeless at least can be safe,that would not in any way cost a fortune.
Since charities are stretched and funds low to help as to charitable organisations then that is where govts. 'can' and 'should' do something to help.
My point is,(that is just brushed aside on this thread), is that this govt has added to the homeless numbers and problem by its social policies.
So more homeless are likely going to result in more mindless attacks like this one.

I am only 22 but even talking to my Parents they say they have never come across a govt. with a Chancellor, work and pensions secretary and PM who have in their own speeches and then allowed across the media,the demonisation of those most vulnerable, whether that is being on benefits or the homeless and also the way this govt dismisses so many people now using food banks too.
Defend such rotten actions by this govt. all people may like to,however at least acknowledge the possibility that their social policies are affecting the homeless and indeed adding to their numbers.
All charities that try to assist with the homeless are telling the govt that, even OXFAM are now in bother for daring to criticise the Govts. social policies

Of course it may never be possible to eradicate the homeless altogether but a few resources and targetted funds could ensure they at least have somewhere to go at night and be safe,also to have somewhere they can go to clean themselves up during the day too.
That,surely, in the UK in 2014 should not be an impossible task nor should it be one that isn't even addressed.

I knew I shouldn't comment on this thread as it is always just dismissed as attacking the govt.
Well then let the govt.show they have a will to deal with this problem in the Country they govern and make 'all' people as safe as they can be.

Also I have to add,to be really fair Kizzy is spot on, the demonisation of the homeless and other poor vulnerable social groups,is in part what fuels attacks such as this one.
Having a really ignorant smug Chancellor, making what I think are disgraceful comments as to people on benefits and who are vulnerable like the homeless, just makes me sick and almost ashamed that such people get elected to power in the first place.
Especially when they are told the homeless number is rising and likely to rise even more,yet they continue to pursue onward with the policies that are adding to the overall problem,in part.

That being so, then more of these attacks will happen and likely get worse in the attackers execution of same too.

Thankyou joey, I have to say it's great to see that I'm not alone in seeing this as a problem that is filtering through from policy to form a new social construct.
If it had been one or two girls that acted in this way then I would have thought as others do that it was an incident that was nothing to do with the fact that he was homeless.. However, there was a whole group, and the wording 'get a *********** job'!, the man was attacked by a group of young women who have a certain mindset towards a vulnerable minority group, 'the homeless'.
Can we be sure this is an isolated incident, and they haven't been indoctrinated by buzzwords like 'striver' and 'skiver' by the right wing media?
I can't help but feel there is a sinister undercurrent here, if it is a one off fine.... I really hope it is.

It reminds me of the scene at the beginning of 'A Clockwork Orange', and that was made at the beginning of the 70s, though it is set in the future.

I agree with the 'not blaming the government for this one' posters.