Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7120712)

:joker:I still love the crab eyes as to John James.:joker:

I agree with Marsh, without Helen it is much more probable that Ashleigh would have had no major storyline whatsoever,she would have likely stayed in the background most of the time and gone in one of the weeks she was up.

She has actually also herself had 2 immune weeks to as to being nominated for eviction so she too will have got to the final with help also, and in one of those immune weeks, the all female power week, she could have gone then as it was around the time of her loud boos.

Had Helen not had the free pass,it may well have been she would have been up some weeks but not all,without the free pass the public may have viewed her differently too and possibly not voted her out anyway,depending on who she was up against.

I do think however,the free pass,is what in the main will have been a major effect on Helen not doing any better than 4th or 5th in the final and I expect Ashleigh to come 3rd.
However, I have said it many times,Ashleigh would have had no real storyline of note without her intense dislike of Helen, whereas Helen has had many storylines with different housemates.

By the way Kazanne,as to somehting you said earlier, I cannot in any way imagine you being a b...h at all,if you ever were then I bet it was the better kind however and not the 2 faced type of one that Asheigh has shown herself to be throughout the series overall.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7119477)

She's the top female HM :cheer2: who got there all on her own without having the protection of a free pass. That in itself is a triumph, and to me, she has already won, even if she doesn't get the sometimes dubious winners crown, which usually now goes to the inoffensive, victimized, stereotypical and lets face it, the overdone, well worn 'journey' Housemate :sleep:

She's one of a kind and the amount of interest she inspires in the many threads and posts about her is testament to how interesting, fascinating and divisive she is. And her age does come into it because the longer you have been on this planet, the more experience and knowledge you should gain. Whether you love her or hate her, you have to admit she is the only HM in the running to be possibly beaten by a pity party vote!

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7120733)

If Ashleighs a Triumph,Helen is a Harley Davidson:hehe:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7120748)

No matter where she finishes up, I still say,in my opinion, love or hate her, this series has been Helen's series, it would have been near tortureand boring to watch this series had she not been in it.

She has never been in my top 4,I didn't care for her in the first week or so, I hated the free pass.
However while Mark is the one I have laughed at the most,for me Helen, bad and good has been compulsive viewing.

As for Ashleigh,most of the time I would have been to sleep except for a small period of about 2 and half weeks as to her.
Some triumph that.

Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7120784)

Of course Helen's been able to let herself go... She's been protected from any eviction. Others had to be a little cleverer than that

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7120802)

I can't say I have seen much in the aya s to being clever from the others and certainly not from Ashleigh.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7120733)

If Ashleighs a Triumph,Helen is a Harley Davidson:hehe:

Originally Posted by Daffodil (Post 7120865)

Ashleigh has support from men who fancy her and women who want to be her. Frankly I think she is horrible.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7119477)

She's the top female HM :cheer2: who got there all on her own without having the protection of a free pass. That in itself is a triumph, and to me, she has already won, even if she doesn't get the sometimes dubious winners crown, which usually now goes to the inoffensive, victimized, stereotypical and lets face it, the overdone, well worn 'journey' Housemate :sleep:

She's one of a kind and the amount of interest she inspires in the many threads and posts about her is testament to how interesting, fascinating and divisive she is. And her age does come into it because the longer you have been on this planet, the more experience and knowledge you should gain. Whether you love her or hate her, you have to admit she is the only HM in the running to be possibly beaten by a pity party vote!

Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 7119488)

It's funny because she gained a large number of her fanbase due to being "Victimized" and being on a "Journey as an 18 year old"

Carry on though...:laugh:

Originally Posted by Daffodil (Post 7120955)

I don't really understand odds, but if this means that Ashleigh is ahead, it won't last. She is far too bitter an individual to stay popular.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 7119740)

Yes congrats to Ashleigh, last girl standing.

and you are right Helen doesnt count because she is not a girl so congrats to Helen, last woman standing. :dance:

Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7120964)

ashleighs slays that much she gets talked about the most :dance2:

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7119477)

She's the top female HM :cheer2: who got there all on her own without having the protection of a free pass. That in itself is a triumph, and to me, she has already won, even if she doesn't get the sometimes dubious winners crown, which usually now goes to the inoffensive, victimized, stereotypical and lets face it, the overdone, well worn 'journey' Housemate :sleep:

She's one of a kind and the amount of interest she inspires in the many threads and posts about her is testament to how interesting, fascinating and divisive she is. And her age does come into it because the longer you have been on this planet, the more experience and knowledge you should gain. Whether you love her or hate her, you have to admit she is the only HM in the running to be possibly beaten by a pity party vote!

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7120998)

:joker: So did Jack the Ripper,that's a silly analogy.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7119477)

She's the top female HM :cheer2: who got there all on her own without having the protection of a free pass. That in itself is a triumph, and to me, she has already won, even if she doesn't get the sometimes dubious winners crown, which usually now goes to the inoffensive, victimized, stereotypical and lets face it, the overdone, well worn 'journey' Housemate :sleep:

She's one of a kind and the amount of interest she inspires in the many threads and posts about her is testament to how interesting, fascinating and divisive she is. And her age does come into it because the longer you have been on this planet, the more experience and knowledge you should gain. Whether you love her or hate her, you have to admit she is the only HM in the running to be possibly beaten by a pity party vote!