When was Winston nasty? when was Steven nasty? When was Pav nasty?

Keep reaching.

I didn't say "everyone" so kind of silly to put that in quotation marks, but yes I'll agree not all of those people were friends with her through fear. But I really believe that Kim and Tamara both took the role of submissive sidekick to Helen. You could argue that fear is a strong word, but I think it plays a role. A few hms have also brought this up iirc.

Further, I wouldn't say they're just friends with Helen through fear, but behave in certain ways because of it. Lots of people have agreed that Ash was up her arse for ages and would never ever admit she'd done wrong. I think Pav nominated Winston instead of Ash face to face because of fear of her reaction.

It isn't ridiculous or silly so please don't say that. Plenty of people remain in friendships and relationships through fear, or behave in certain ways simply to appease a stronger character. I haven't long since left school, where some friendship group hierarchies are built around a dominant character who other people are scared of.

She does create divides and secludes herself yeah, she has isolated herself from very early on in the series, which she admitted to herself during that court task but I see they conveniently left that out of the highlights.

Like Danielle? because her and Ashleigh were nowhere near being 'positive people' when they were together in the pod bitching about everyone else with faces like thunder.

Steven's relentless battering of Chris now that he's been evicted, even in a task about Helen and Ashleigh, is pretty nasty

Everyone in there is nasty, except Saint Ashleigh. :angel:

Is that a serious question? If so, refer to today's highlights for starters

No she don't, it Helen who causes a divide.

How was it? he said the truth and nothing but. It was also as part of a task.

Are you denying Chris and Ashleigh sit on their beds slagging people off? like seriously?

That was part of a task and what did he say that was nasty? it was all true and that's why you don't like it.

steven got voted out:hehe:

Opps silly me I forgot the dun shines out of her arse. :hehe:

I think Chris and Ashleigh create the divide. They hardly ever mix with the group.

I think Ashleigh and Danielle started it but Chris took over once Danielle went and it has just gotten deeper since.

The common denominator being miserable Ashleigh.

Ashleigh isolating herself (I don't even know why this is a big deal, I suspect most people would in that kind of situation) really only accounts for the divide between Helen and Ashleigh. With everyone else, it's all about Helen's actions. How Helen treated Chris, how Helen treated Danielle, how Helen treated Christopher, how Helen treated Jale early on, etc. It was never Ashleigh and her clique against Helen and her clique.

Helen has always mixed with the group.

Irrelevant but nice try at baiting me :thumbs:

Judi "Ashleigh, did you cause the divide?"

Ashleigh "I'm partly responsible"

Judi "Helen did you cause the divide?"

Helen "No, it's not my fault"

The delusion. :facepalm:

Because you said all of her friends, so silly of you to be pedantic about it.

"I think" "I believe" not actual proof. Pav nominating Winston was no surprise, he hasn't got on with Winston at all, Winston was the one more openly wary with him. Ash being up her arse is how some 'friends' are. No suggestion it comes from fear of any kind.

Yeah, that Judi wants sectioning.

BUT YOU ARE A HELEN FAN the blind bias is so laughably absurd

No I'm not denying that they do that, but EVERY other person in the house has slagged someone off before, and I don't see how that is a problem (unless they were saying something really out of order). Of course people are gonna call people names and vent about their annoyances to other hms. Helen's group slags Ashleigh's group off just as much as Ashleigh's group slags Helen's group off.

I believe what Steven did was nasty because it was uncalled for. Firstly, it made it seem like it was just the two of them that do it. When Matthew spoke, he just spoke about his own experience with Helen in the house, because that is all that was needed. When Steven spoke, he just had to bring up things that are "outsider knowledge" in an attempt to make them seem worse than they are.

Secondly, the task wasn't about Chris, it was about Ashleigh and Helen. There was no need to bring up anything about Chris.

For the most part, I think Ashleigh removes herself because Helen jumps on everything she says, all the F'ing time. Helen is just waiting for her to say anything in the hopes that she can say some horrid thing and grin her evil grin and have a laugh with her brood about it. So, if you really think about it, its still pretty much Helens doing. For the most part.

I just don't like Ashleigh.

I'm not being pedantic.. I said people are friends with Helen through fear, not everyone.

And this is a forum where we can express opinions, so me saying that I think they're friends with Helen through fear is just as valid as you saying you don't think they're friends with her through fear.

Obviously, but saying Ashleigh is like one of those girls from the movie Mean Girls and then championing a Helen victory is laughably contradictory.