Originally Posted by Jules2 (Post 7243120)

Ah ha,,, so we have to consider that Dee was joking, if I should say that Gary was joking when he said "do you want to fight" would you consider that? :smug: (dont you just love these smilies :laugh:).

I think with that last bit, they dont want him in the kitchen, he was washing up the other day but they dont trust him to do anything. Why is Adele washing his clothes, mind you it sounds as though she has made herself the washerwoman of the house.

The way I see it is this, if he peed on the toilet ask him nicely to clear it up instead of complaining. He spilt coffe on the stairs, let him clear it up.....the trouble is they see that 7 and the 0 and they consider him useless, he isnt. Look at the way he ran around with the "tickle team". Dee argued that his knee was bad, he said it wasnt, he had his pills and a support, the tickle team proves that. Ok he fell down once that was most likely because he had to get up from a low position and he lost his balance.

He isnt useless and they should stop treating him as though he was, give him permission to make a sandwich, I have seen him making a drink several times so no he isnt useless, they just want to treat him that way. He has taken part in all the tasks and hasnt shied away from anything other than sleeping outside, which, I may add, he stuck until 1.30am.

Treat him with respect and he will look after himself, as he said Dee wasnt and never has been his carer. That was an insult. :laugh:

Originally Posted by Jules2 (Post 7243044)

Hi Ruby, I think it is the others we have to feel sorry for, they are just jumped up wannabees who have to have a scapegoat. There is usually one or two in each series, this time it is Gary. After all he has reached the big 70. What some of them should remember is this, we are all on a learning curb and age does not have any boundaries. They think they are young, attractive and adorable little things but they have so much to learn. Some are at that stage whereby they wouldnt even want to admire an "old twisted fool" in their eyes. They are so wrong it is so so sad.

I doubt very much whether he cares if they like him, he is not vindictive and he realises that they to are on that learning curb, they have a long long way to go. He understands the emotions and the whys and wherefores, why did they do that. Can I ease their pain? I do not think he is the least bit concerned about himself. He has a far better insight than any of them will have at this moment in time. There may come a time when they will look back and see what despicable creatures some of them were, I doubt it though as they will make excuses to themselves and then go on to the next car crash. :wavey: They will soon be forgotten and possibly end up in an OAP home with a Mama Dee looking after them and bullying them into submission.

Originally Posted by LiamPRW (Post 7243130)

i know not all old people need help, but unless you know they don't need help, you just assume that they do and help them with stuff, but as you said, he has shown that he's resilient and can do things for himself.. but that just makes me wonder why people still carry on doing things for him, even though he is capable of doing stuff, maybe he just lets them because he's lazy or can't be bothered to clean up? none of us will ever know because we haven't lived in there with him.

Originally Posted by LiamPRW (Post 7243130)

I would definitely consider that he was joking, i'm not one of these people who sees everything as black and white and only sees faults in people, i didn't particularly see it as a joke, but i can see how he might have thought it was a joke etc :laugh:

I agree with you, they should be letting him do more for himself, not all 70 year old people are incapable of looking after themselves, my Bampy was 76 when he died and up until the day he became sick, he looked after his house by himself, he did gardening, he looked after his cat, he did his own washing, he shopped, he cleaned.. i know not all old people need help, but unless you know they don't need help, you just assume that they do and help them with stuff, but as you said, he has shown that he's resilient and can do things for himself.. but that just makes me wonder why people still carry on doing things for him, even though he is capable of doing stuff, maybe he just lets them because he's lazy or can't be bothered to clean up? none of us will ever know because we haven't lived in there with him.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7243152)

Its not just old people, as we have seen in a million other episodes of BB. If someone wants to take on responsibility for doing a particular chore, let them get on with it. In the BB house you only get people fighting to do these chores because they want to relieve boredom or see an opportunity to make themselves look good and score some points. Gary has no need to score points or relieve boredom, so why not sit on his ass? I would too :laugh:

Originally Posted by Jules2 (Post 7243165)

Aw I have never heard that expression Bampy, I bet you loved him dearly. I am 74 my husband is 77 but sadly he has just been diagnosed with cancer. He is on chemo but he is still doing his bit. We are bringing up two grandchildren, one is 17 and the other is 14. We have had them with us for over 11 years. We take great pride in being part of the younger generation, they each treat us with respect and love. My 26 year old eldest grandson came all the way from Leeds, quite a way from myself, to help me when my husband was in hospital.

I just feel so sad that there is so much ageism in the house this time, I genuinely feel sorry for their attitudes and I respect and love Gary for his wealth of knowledge, his understanding of the younger ones and his ability not to "bitch" and to moan about his treatment, he accepts it all as the learning curb which will give him a greater understanding of each of them. No matter what age we are, we learn........your Bampy wont be far from you.:wavey::elephant: Ya know, I love elephants, they supposedly never forget and our departed ones are never forgotten.

Originally Posted by Jules2 (Post 7243165)

Aw I have never heard that expression Bampy, I bet you loved him dearly. I am 74 my husband is 77 but sadly he has just been diagnosed with cancer. He is on chemo but he is still doing his bit. We are bringing up two grandchildren, one is 17 and the other is 14. We have had them with us for over 11 years. We take great pride in being part of the younger generation, they each treat us with respect and love. My 26 year old eldest grandson came all the way from Leeds, quite a way from myself, to help me when my husband was in hospital.

I just feel so sad that there is so much ageism in the house this time, I genuinely feel sorry for their attitudes and I respect and love Gary for his wealth of knowledge, his understanding of the younger ones and his ability not to "bitch" and to moan about his treatment, he accepts it all as the learning curb which will give him a greater understanding of each of them. No matter what age we are, we learn........your Bampy wont be far from you.:wavey::elephant: Ya know, I love elephants, they supposedly never forget and our departed ones are never forgotten.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7243202)

Dee without a shadow of a doubt, she's very bombastic and tries to railroad gary in conversations, he tried very hard to understand and explain how her reasoning was wrong but she was not sensitive enough to realise how offensive she was being...
She might have well said 'you're old and past it gary get out!' all because he fell over, she fell over too iirc.

Originally Posted by Tip (Post 7243291)

I suspect it could quite easily be Gary specific rather than ageism per se, but we'll never know now.

He's a pain in the bum, and very entertaining because of it - but as he seems to bring out the worst in people he is playing a blinder.

Originally Posted by LiamPRW (Post 7242005)

Gary was definitely in the wrong, he got in her face first.. And the went on to mock and patronise her as they were having a conversation, he purposely wound her up and had a massive smile on his face as he did so, Dee had every right to get annoyed.. The 'smash his face in' comment wasn't necessary, but Gary was totally in the wrong.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7243731)

At no time did any part of Gary's anatomy leave his own space in his chair. On the other hand, Truffle Pig leant over into Gary's space and virtually pushed her snout into his face. Then she prodded and poked with her grubby little trotters as she went completely OTT and grunted and squealed like a wild boar.

Whilst on the subject of Truffle Pig; I find it astonishing that she had the temerity to ever lecture Gary (or anyone for that matter) on hygiene - did you see her house/Sty on Benefit Street? The Truffle Pig is not a celebrity. She has no talent which could ever justify her being classified as a celebrity, and as far as her (and Duane Doberman George) being 'normal' and therefore worthy of the 'common man's' vote - she is definitely NOT normal. Normal people are not 2 faced, obsequious, sycophantic, manipulative, scheming, vindictive **** stirrers, and there are millions of honest, hard working, decent 'ordinary' people out there who are far more worthy of inclusion in the Celebrity Big Brother House and far more deserving of being made celebrities and receiving all the wealth, privileges, and benefits (no pun intended - oh-- OK then it was) that come with it. Get the Fat Pig out.