Yes Liam, let the Californian tell you about your own country. :fist:

I am the devil, and this body is my son on earth, so he is my advocate. forgive him/

Within Britain yes.
World-wide we're not a very well known country, you steal our celebrities and call them your own, which is rude :laugh:
We are only known worldwide for Dr. Who and Torchwood, which is a bit sad, because we are a good country based off of all of our other attributes.
But in Britain yeah, we are respected equally with England, i don't quite understand why you think we're not like.

You should want more. When is the last time a movie was made in the Welsh language despite all the productions in english being made there?

You are being exploited. You are like the Native American Indians, pacified and squashed. cornered and contained.

Yes, let's make a movie in a language only 10 people speak. :hehe:

this is how english people really see you. Welsh is a joke, you see?

Have you never watched Pobol Y Cwm? :suspect:

I couldn't imagine it happening, I'm not even sure Scotland could exist independently, never mind Wales. If Scotland thrives in independence I could see a small following for independence forming in Wales although I can't ever see it getting the traction Scotland's bid has gotten.

Wales doesn't have much to sell. They couldn't survive on tourism and sheep. No coal mines now, and if they were independent the Royal Mint, the DVLA and BBC Wales would leave. Like Andy said... better together.

Exploited for what exactly? our delicious lamb? or disgustingly overrated welshcakes? our traditional Eisteddfod dress up clothes? our abundance of leek and daffodil badges? I don't quite understand how you can say that the country i have lived in for 19 years is being exploited, when you probably couldn't tell me a single thing about Wales if you didn't google it.

the fact that i can't should tell you how much you are being exploited and crushed, dude.

You just made the point for me.

No-one watches Pobol Y Cwm, not even the Welsh speakers would endure that **** :laugh:

Lostalex leading the revolution...

No, just leading the conversation :P

So it's up to England to ensure that Californian's know things about Wales? :think:

The American education system is probably your first port of call. :hehe:

You still haven't given me any facts as to how as a country, Wales is being exploited.
If you gave me some substantial facts that backed up what you're saying, i might entertain the notion, but until then i will keep my army of rabid sheep in the pen, they can **** on the houses of parliament another day.

:fist: I loved that sheep storyline.

'Alwyn Jones, get outta that sheep now, you dirty sheep shagga' Totally gripping :hehe:

Oh PLEEEASE let me be there to see that.

I believe that some day the Welsh could have a strong self identity and also be a great nation, maybe even greater than england. but they seem so resigned to just being part of the UK, England's sidekick.

or maybe not. maybe they don't have it in them.

I'll give you a glove so you can lob some if you want? Sheep dung smells better than anything else's dw :hehe:

There are only three million of them. There are more people in Los Angeles. We've got their back. Don't try anything....

I'm in!

That's the thing, we don't have it in us, if we had the means to do so, i fully believe that we would seperate ourselves from Britain as soon as we could, but we know we can't because we haven't got the resources that would allow us to fully sustain ourselves, if we want to survive as a country, then we need to be a part of Britain, those are the facts, that is all we deal in, not this theoretical game of chicken that you seem to be trying to insinuate.

I know his game. He thinks Liam should rise up and create a Welsh government, take Wales out of Britain and then watch Wales collapse and then he'll buy the land up and create a holiday resort. :fist:

wel, if you don't have what you need, perhaps you could consider an invasion. England has taken the best for itself, maybe it's time you asked for your share of it, violently if necessary. Maybe it's time Wales fought back and took what is theirs. The truth is England is a false state instituted by german and french colonists on the island of Great Britain.