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Jose Mourinho 14-01-2015 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Robodog (Post 7484470)
I love Alexander O Neal and i am sure he is right in explaining that some people find it offensive. But clearly many people are also comfortable with it as a perfectly acceptable racial term.

For example; the official US census uses it as a proper racial category as recently as 2010 - bear in mind, that is during the presidency of Obama!

So how and why did it go from being an official government racial category to a racial slur in 4 short years??

And who knew??

I don't know how, ask the U.S Government. All I know is that the black lady on loose women termed it as a racist word and also Alex took offence to it also and many others I know. The bottom line is that it is seen an offensive word now. And should not be used if we are to show any degree of respect for black people.

Jose Mourinho 14-01-2015 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dash Darington (Post 7484525)
Your feelings about the word have nothing to do with misuse. You've been deliberately sensitized to the word in order to further racial resentment and factionalization. There is no objective reason why "black" is a better word than "negro." In fact, they have precisely the same meaning: a reference to dark skin colour.

No they don't both words might have the same dictionary meaning in different languages but the n one is simply seen as unacceptable as Girth pointed out, due to its misuse over the years. Quite simple to understand really and certainly not a huge obstacle for you to avoid in life now is it?

Caballo 14-01-2015 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho (Post 7484671)
I don't know how, ask the U.S Government. All I know is that the black lady on loose women termed it as a racist word and also Alex took offence to it also and many others I know. The bottom line is that it is seen an offensive word now. And should not be used if we are to show any degree of respect for black people.

Should we get Jamelia to thumb through the Oxford english dictionary and randomly select some other words she can deem offensive and will strike them from our language too? If Jamelia is the appointed adjudicator of taste and decency, we're all fecked

Jose Mourinho 14-01-2015 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Caballo (Post 7484792)
Should we get Jamelia to thumb through the Oxford english dictionary and randomly select some other words she can deem offensive and will strike them from our language too? If Jamelia is the appointed adjudicator of taste and decency, we're all fecked

That word is offensive and you know it too. Listen if you don't think its offensive and you wanna go forth and call back people Negroes. Be my guest. Who am I to stop you? Good luck. And btw your not Spanish or Italian.

microscope 14-01-2015 08:34 PM

The only way to not offend a black or white person is to call them a person, as the colour of ones skin shouldn't even apply. It is like describing an overweight person as a fat person, the word "fat" actually can offend, so as the PC brigade is increasing in population, and even "White Christmas" and "Blackboard" and "Bah Bah Black Sheep" are now offensive to to some of the Black population, then the "N" word Ken used has no chance of becoming acceptable. And also "Coloured" is deemed racial. There is no end to this I am afraid...

Robodog 14-01-2015 09:22 PM

Why is the word 'negro' any more offensive than the word 'caucasian' or 'hispanic'? After all, they are all just terms used equally in official places such as on ethnic background forms to describe racial types, they are not slang words.

If you outlaw 'negro' why not outlaw them all equally? Or better still - not outlaw any of them at all as we do need words to help describe and categorise ourselves and the world around us. But either way - good or bad - surely they should all be treated equally, no?

It seems to me rather racist to select one racial type over another for discrimination.

the truth 14-01-2015 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho (Post 7484671)
I don't know how, ask the U.S Government. All I know is that the black lady on loose women termed it as a racist word and also Alex took offence to it also and many others I know. The bottom line is that it is seen an offensive word now. And should not be used if we are to show any degree of respect for black people.

but its black people who use it 100 times more than anyone else, so youre post makes no sense whatsoever

Pincho Paxton 14-01-2015 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7485342)
but its black people who use it 100 times more than anyone else, so youre post makes no sense whatsoever

They do, and to be honest they are segregating themselves if you ask me.

SoBig 15-01-2015 07:58 AM

The first time he used the word it was offensive. He was talking to Alexander as if he were a slave. I didn't find it offensive the second time he used it. Its all about the context.

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Originally Posted by Robodog (Post 7485325)
Why is the word 'negro' any more offensive than the word 'caucasian' or 'hispanic'? After all, they are all just terms used equally in official places such as on ethnic background forms to describe racial types

Hispanic is not a race. Its a linguistic group.

bots 15-01-2015 08:56 AM

I think it was actually a lot simpler than that. Ken wanted to leave and was saying any old thing to upset the housemates in general.

The housemates wanted Ken out - well the ladies and Perez did, so they will have been going to BB and bending ears every 5 minutes, with threats to leave etc. So I don't believe it was any one thing or event, it was a culmination of events. For example, even when Ken was officially warned, BB lumped in that he had been offensive in saying he liked to look at the women's arses, which is only offensive if you want to believe it is.

So, I don't believe it was that one word at all, it was his fellow housemates wanted him out, and BB then had to find reasons to justify his removal before they had no show.

I think similar applies to the Jeremy incident by the way, the very same housemates wanted him out too.

Bojangles 15-01-2015 01:03 PM

Anyone remember the Disco in Mallorca "Jack El Negro."

Robodog 15-01-2015 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBig (Post 7486133)
The first time he used the word it was offensive. He was talking to Alexander as if he were a slave. I didn't find it offensive the second time he used it. Its all about the context.


Hispanic is not a race. Its a linguistic group.

Not according to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an..._States_Census
Hispanic/Latin is cited here as a racial category in the national census

Jose Mourinho 15-01-2015 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bojangles (Post 7486662)
Anyone remember the Disco in Mallorca "Jack El Negro."

EL Negro is not English though.

Crimson Dynamo 15-01-2015 05:43 PM

being offended does not make you right

Jose Mourinho 15-01-2015 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7487561)
being offended does not make you right

Being a fan of Nigel Farage and UKIP probably deems you useless when discussing issues regarding race.

Crimson Dynamo 15-01-2015 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho (Post 7487570)
Being a fan of Nigel Farage and UKIP probably deems you useless when discussing issues regarding race.


that is rather a bigoted thing to post

Jose Mourinho 15-01-2015 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7487572)
that is rather a bigoted thing to post

Nah, just my honest opinion after what I discovered about YOU and a few others who had their "strange" stances on this particular subject regarding Ken.

Jose Mourinho 15-01-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7487572)
that is rather a bigoted thing to post

Clearly you are not one to be taken seriously on this matter.

Crimson Dynamo 15-01-2015 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho (Post 7487577)
Nah, just my honest opinion after what I discovered about YOU and a few others who had their "strange" stances on this particular subject regarding Ken.

you are aware that in the world people may have different and more informed opinions than those that you hold?

:shrug:

Jose Mourinho 15-01-2015 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7487588)
you are aware that in the world people may have different and more informed opinions than those that you hold?

:shrug:

Please don't speak to me about this issue. I refuse to discuss issues like this with a Nigel Farage supporter over the internet. I'll happily discuss it with you in person though. :laugh:

Anaesthesia 15-01-2015 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by microscope (Post 7484921)
so as the PC brigade is increasing in population, and even "White Christmas" and "Blackboard" and "Bah Bah Black Sheep" are now offensive

True anecdote: 17 years ago when my son was at nursery school, he came home singing "Moo Moo Jersey Cow, have you any milk" to the tune of Baa Baa Black Sheep. Can't remember the rest of the words, but can remember thinking, wtf?

Pincho Paxton 15-01-2015 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 7487705)
True anecdote: 17 years ago when my son was at nursery school, he came home singing "Moo Moo Jersey Cow, have you any milk" to the tune of Baa Baa Black Sheep. Can't remember the rest of the words, but can remember thinking, wtf?

"Moo Moo Jersey Cow, have you any milk"

Stupid Fattist school!

SoBig 15-01-2015 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robodog (Post 7486734)
Not according to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an..._States_Census
Hispanic/Latin is cited here as a racial category in the national census

Are we reading the same article?
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Race and ethnicity in the United States Census, defined by the federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the United States Census Bureau, are self-identification data items in which residents choose the race or races with which they most closely identify, and indicate whether or not they are of Hispanic or Latino origin (the only categories for ethnicity).[1][2]

Race and ethnicity are considered separate and distinct identities, with Hispanic or Latino origin asked as a separate question. Thus, in addition to their race or races, all respondents are categorized by membership in one of two ethnic categories, which are "Hispanic or Latino" and "Not Hispanic or Latino". However, the practice of separating "race" and "ethnicity" as different categories has been criticized both by the American Anthropological Association and members of U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.[6][7]

The federal government of the United States has mandated that "in data collection and presentation, federal agencies are required to use a minimum of two ethnicities: 'Hispanic or Latino' and 'Not Hispanic or Latino'."[18] The Census Bureau defines "Hispanic or Latino" as "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."[18] For discussion of the meaning and scope of the Hispanic or Latino ethnicity, see the Hispanic and Latino Americans and Racial and ethnic demographics of the United States articles.

Use of the word 'ethnicity' for Hispanics only is considerably more restricted than its conventional meaning, which covers other distinctions, some of which are covered by the "race" and "ancestry" questions. The distinct questions accommodate the possibility of Hispanic and Latino Americans' also declaring various racial identities (see also White Hispanic and Latino Americans, Asian Latinos, and Black Hispanic and Latino Americans).
From the US census

http://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html
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People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispani...tino_Americans
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Hispanics and Latinos (Spanish: hispanos [isˈpanos], latinos) are an ethnolinguistic group of Americans with genealogical origins in the countries of Latin America and Spain.[5][6][7] More generally it includes all persons in the United States who self-identify as Hispanic or Latino whether fully or partially.[8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] Hispanic and Latinos are racially diverse, although different "races" dominate each Hispanic group. Although Mexico has the most immigration of American Indian descent, they also have the largest immigration of White descent of Hispanic countries. Puerto Ricans and Cuban Americans [16] tend to be predominantly of white Spaniard ancestry, although there are African Americans from Puerto Rico and African-Cubans in the Cuban population. Dominican Americans tend to be mulatto or tri-racial, having African, European, and indigenous Taino ancestry. Mexicans represent the bulk of the US Hispanic/Latino population, and most Mexican Americans are Mestizo, this is the main reason why non-Hispanics equate being Hispanic to being of American Indian descent. As a result of their racial diversity, Hispanics form an ethnicity sharing a language (Spanish) and cultural heritage, rather than a race. American Hispanics are predominantly of Mexican, and to a lesser extent, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Salvadoran, Dominican, Guatemalan, and Colombian ancestry.[13][17][18][19]

The terms Hispanic and Latino refer not to a continental race, but rather an ethnicity, sharing a common culture, history, language, and heritage.
According to the Smithsonian Institution, Latino includes peoples of Portuguese-speaking roots, such as Brazil, as well as those of Spanish-language origin.[32][33][34] A Hispanic or Latino can be of any race and many are mixed race. In the United States, most Hispanics and Latinos are either white or mestizo. Some Hispanic/Latinos from Caribbean and Latin American countries may also have African ancestry.[35][32]
What do these people have in common?

Vladimir Guerrero
http://i.imgur.com/OpXBdjR.jpg

Alexis Bledel
http://i.imgur.com/RLy84U2.jpg

They both speak the Spanish language as their native tongue, but Vladimir is obviously black and Alexis is obviously white. Hispanic is not a racial category.


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