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MrWong 01-02-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7555182)
It really sticks in my throat to agree with you because you refused my olive branch, but in this case you are right.

I must have missed it sampvt. Sorry about that. This forum can get very heated and move quite fast on occasion.

Miranda123 01-02-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7554881)
shes so dumb and ignorant...so fake so evil, so insincere so full of hate and bigotry ...she spews out her endless toxic half baked nonsense opinions....yet never does her homework and ends up getting battered in every argument........Jordan tore her a new anus yesterday in a polite way.....alicia destroyed bully Hopkins every time they clashed, Alicia knew a lot on her subjects, bully knew nothing other than a moronic attention seeking insult
she cant claim any moral high ground and her taunting of perez body fat , ginger babies, her celebrating of child slave labour are all disgusting examples to her children
when perez hasn't waggled his tongue hes owned bully Hopkins every time, simply by being a a nicer warmer more sincere more forgiving person..
even patsy made far more sense with her polite requests to give pacifism a chance
now even cheggers is tearing her to shreds....hes told the moronic twat he doesn't have to be abusive to be REAL...he is being real and real can be nice...he told her walking in half way through a discussion without knowing the facts then throwing out opinions and arguments is stupid and all done to promote her own disgusting brand of hateful bigotry.....its boring says cheggers and the great man is spot on , that's exactly what it is
shes stupider than Alicia and the most ignorant desperado in there

celebrating child labour? that's hilarious, Katie made a joke "well its a job" regarding children in poor countries making Calum's trainers, most of us thought it was very funny, but I guess you have to get Katies humour to appreciate it
Alicia was a wet flapping idiot and got kicked out accordingly
Jordan is not taken seriously due to the fact that she marries every guy she meets
As for Cheggers, poor thing, hasnt been funny since the 80's and he wasnt really funny then

If you dont like Katie, fine, but accept the fact that most of us find her extremely funny and that is why she is still there and Team Perez are dropping like flies

It was soo nice to see Nadia AKA Cupid Stunt, leave on Friday, and its looking like a clear run to the final for Katie H, though I would also be happy with a Calum or Cami LI win

Get a sense of humour and enjoy the rest of the show!

sampvt 01-02-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 7555189)
I must have missed it sampvt. Sorry about that. This forum can get very heated and move quite fast on occasion.

Can we put our differences aside and start afresh. I am willing to apologise for being a dick and accusing you of all sorts and agree you were unfairly targeted. Sorry.

chuff me dizzy 01-02-2015 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Miranda123 (Post 7555190)
celebrating child labour? that's hilarious, Katie made a joke "well its a job" regarding children in poor countries making Calum's trainers, most of us thought it was very funny, but I guess you have to get Katies humour to appreciate it
Alicia was a wet flapping idiot and got kicked out accordingly
Jordan is not taken seriously due to the fact that she marries every guy she meets
As for Cheggers, poor thing, hasnt been funny since the 80's and he wasnt really funny then

If you dont like Katie, fine, but accept the fact that most of us find her extremely funny and that is why she is still there and Team Perez are dropping like flies

It was soo nice to see Nadia AKA Cupid Stunt, leave on Friday, and its looking like a clear run to the final for Katie H, though I would also be happy with a Calum or Cami LI win

Get a sense of humour and enjoy the rest of the show!

:worship: Clear run to the final on her own merits, not BB interference ,shoving the freak in a secret room to stop him being nominated

KingOfTheMods 01-02-2015 10:54 AM

She's not a nice person by any stretch of the imagination but I find I agree with a lot more of what comes out of her mouth than Perez's. He is a vile human being and Nadia was his right on hippy dippy enabler. He refuses to take responsibility for any of his ****ty behaviour and Nadia proved to be exactly the same on BBBOTS when the panel highlighted a few home truths to her.

Ridge 01-02-2015 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7554881)
shes so dumb and ignorant...so fake so evil, so insincere so full of hate and bigotry ...she spews out her endless toxic half baked nonsense opinions....yet never does her homework and ends up getting battered in every argument........Jordan tore her a new anus yesterday in a polite way.....alicia destroyed bully Hopkins every time they clashed, Alicia knew a lot on her subjects, bully knew nothing other than a moronic attention seeking insult
she cant claim any moral high ground and her taunting of perez body fat , ginger babies, her celebrating of child slave labour are all disgusting examples to her children
when perez hasn't waggled his tongue hes owned bully Hopkins every time, simply by being a a nicer warmer more sincere more forgiving person..
even patsy made far more sense with her polite requests to give pacifism a chance
now even cheggers is tearing her to shreds....hes told the moronic twat he doesn't have to be abusive to be REAL...he is being real and real can be nice...he told her walking in half way through a discussion without knowing the facts then throwing out opinions and arguments is stupid and all done to promote her own disgusting brand of hateful bigotry.....its boring says cheggers and the great man is spot on , that's exactly what it is
shes stupider than Alicia and the most ignorant desperado in there

In one of the tasks, who did the Housemates vote their Fav! KATIE HOPKINS :cheer2:

MrWong 01-02-2015 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7555194)
Can we put our differences aside and start afresh. I am willing to apologise for being a dick and accusing you of all sorts and agree you were unfairly targeted. Sorry.

Absolutely :thumbs:

sampvt 01-02-2015 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 7555217)
Absolutely :thumbs:

Done deal. :flowers:

rionablue 01-02-2015 11:03 AM

I despise Katie Hopkins and in many of the OPs points I agree. HOWEVER I feel Perez should NOT be painted as an innocent victim. He has been absolutely vile to almost everyone in the house, has been crude and rude with his sexual antics, has been loud and aggressive and what he said to Calum was the last straw!!! I feel he should have been ousted for that seeing that Jeremy was ousted for a gesture Perez's words were extremely out of order.

I don't like ANY of the two housemates but in all fairness don't paint Perez as a nice guy because he is CLEARLY NOT. When Katie has been horrible to the likes of Ken that is way out of line because Ken hasn't caused any trouble. She is out of line with Perez also but Perez can give as good as he gets and if he is lonely for the remaining time in the house remember this HE CHOSE his side in that house and CHOSE to hang out with. They are now gone so he will just have to get on with it!!!!!

dyfed 01-02-2015 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7554881)
shes so dumb and ignorant...so fake so evil, so insincere so full of hate and bigotry ...she spews out her endless toxic half baked nonsense opinions....yet never does her homework and ends up getting battered in every argument........Jordan tore her a new anus yesterday in a polite way.....alicia destroyed bully Hopkins every time they clashed, Alicia knew a lot on her subjects, bully knew nothing other than a moronic attention seeking insult
she cant claim any moral high ground and her taunting of perez body fat , ginger babies, her celebrating of child slave labour are all disgusting examples to her children
when perez hasn't waggled his tongue hes owned bully Hopkins every time, simply by being a a nicer warmer more sincere more forgiving person..
even patsy made far more sense with her polite requests to give pacifism a chance
now even cheggers is tearing her to shreds....hes told the moronic twat he doesn't have to be abusive to be REAL...he is being real and real can be nice...he told her walking in half way through a discussion without knowing the facts then throwing out opinions and arguments is stupid and all done to promote her own disgusting brand of hateful bigotry.....its boring says cheggers and the great man is spot on , that's exactly what it is
shes stupider than Alicia and the most ignorant desperado in there

Absolutely right,well said.:worship::worship::worship::clap1::clap1::cla p1:

sampvt 01-02-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dyfed (Post 7555230)
Absolutely right,well said.:worship::worship::worship::clap1::clap1::cla p1:

The only clap this post deserves is treated with Penicillin.

abhorson 01-02-2015 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Miranda123 (Post 7555190)
celebrating child labour? that's hilarious, Katie made a joke "well its a job" regarding children in poor countries making Calum's trainers, most of us thought it was very funny, but I guess you have to get Katies humour to appreciate it
Alicia was a wet flapping idiot and got kicked out accordingly
Jordan is not taken seriously due to the fact that she marries every guy she meets
As for Cheggers, poor thing, hasnt been funny since the 80's and he wasnt really funny then

If you dont like Katie, fine, but accept the fact that most of us find her extremely funny and that is why she is still there and Team Perez are dropping like flies

It was soo nice to see Nadia AKA Cupid Stunt, leave on Friday, and its looking like a clear run to the final for Katie H, though I would also be happy with a Calum or Cami LI win

Get a sense of humour and enjoy the rest of the show!

:laugh:

Not the other 800.

Miranda123 01-02-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cfromhx02 (Post 7555154)
So many people get confused between "Freedom to Abuse" and "Freedom Of Speech"

and like Hopkins,they only like it when they have freedom of speech,they hate it,getting it back

your thread makes no sense as Katie H continually asks the likes of Cheggers & Katie P, to say what they like about her or to her

"no say it, go on, I have no problem with that"

but they dont, in Katie Prices case, she cant, she is so trapped by her limited vocabulary that its painful to watch, she cant even finish a sentence cause she doesnt know how

She may be a savvy businesswoman when it comes to selling herself, her kids and her disastrous marriages but having a conversation or speaking properly seems beyond the poor cow

Plus anyone who gives themselves a nickname (Pricey) or even fatty bird Gemma (GC) is of extremely limited intelligence and should be pitied but shoudl not win!

chuff me dizzy 01-02-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Miranda123 (Post 7555258)
your thread makes no sense as Katie H continually asks the likes of Cheggers & Katie P, to say what they like about her or to her

"no say it, go on, I have no problem with that"

but they dont, in Katie Prices case, she cant, she is so trapped by her limited vocabulary that its painful to watch, she cant even finish a sentence cause she doesnt know how

She may be a savvy businesswoman when it comes to selling herself, her kids and her disastrous marriages but having a conversation or speaking properly seems beyond the poor cow

Plus anyone who gives themselves a nickname (Pricey) or even fatty bird Gemma (GC) is of extremely limited intelligence and should be pitied but shoudl not win!

:clap1:

Miranda123 01-02-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 7555202)
:worship: Clear run to the final on her own merits, not BB interference ,shoving the freak in a secret room to stop him being nominated

exactly Chuff

there are some on here who are saying VTS is why she is there, they are probably right, but that goes for Perez too

VTS is put in place so that we DONT get rid of all the big characters early and end up with a show like BB4, and sleep to the final

Katie H is a phenomenal character and Perez is a freak, like all the best shows, we always need a freak to counter the very intelligent and we have it all this year, so thanks BB

Enjoy guys, and stop worrying that all your faves are gone and he is left all alone lol

rusticgal 01-02-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Miranda123 (Post 7555258)
your thread makes no sense as Katie H continually asks the likes of Cheggers & Katie P, to say what they like about her or to her

"no say it, go on, I have no problem with that"

but they dont, in Katie Prices case, she cant, she is so trapped by her limited vocabulary that its painful to watch, she cant even finish a sentence cause she doesnt know how

She may be a savvy businesswoman when it comes to selling herself, her kids and her disastrous marriages but having a conversation or speaking properly seems beyond the poor cow

Plus anyone who gives themselves a nickname (Pricey) or even fatty bird Gemma (GC) is of extremely limited intelligence and should be pitied but shoudl not win!


well said.

Deebo 01-02-2015 11:52 AM

She's lost every argument because she's a coward and a long-term social outcast lacking in self-confidence and social skills

She's used to playing the part of the extremist on Twitter where she doesn't have to defend herself, so she has no practice in real world social situations, unlike Katie Price, Nadia etc. Strong women who have had to argue and scrap and defend themselves and achieve their goals

Also because she has a limited range of knowledge, perhaps owing to her lack of social skills, and her vocabulary pales to nothing when compared with a professional broadcaster like Nadia or Keith

It's easy to say you hate immigrants, muslims, gays, poor people and disabled people on Twitter, but it's not easy to justify those opinions when challenged. This is why she's been a bit cowardly in hiding those extremist opinions and playing the part of a bitter old ugly posh woman. Perhaps that's the real Hopkins?

There's also a huge lack of self control. It's been speculated that Hopkins was bullied for her looks as a child, which is as unsurprising as it is cruel, sadly. That's why she melts when faced with people who have the qualities she desires but could never possess, such as Keith's sense of humour, Price's good looks, Perez's effortless ability to be controversial, Nadia's intelligence, integrity and commitment to telling the truth about difficult, complex subjects

These qualities are everything Hopkin isn't (I know her fans admire when she tells the "truth" about fat people, but Nadia operates on a much higher plain which is probably beyond Hopkins and her fans) and she's visibly affected when genuine personalities and celebrities demonstrate the qualities she craves and thinks she needs to be accepted by the beautiful people, the cool kids, the clever crowd etc.

DemolitionRed 01-02-2015 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 7554924)
KH doesn't champion free speech as the only valid opinion according to her is her own. She uses and abuses free speech

There are limitations put in place to protect us all and so freedom of speech is only as much freedom as the law allows. Hopkins uses her remaining rights on free speech to speak her mind and there is nothing wrong with that up to a point.

Behind closed doors we are all more likely to speak our minds with like minded people but the majority of us are brought up with self moderation; we know when its okay to say something and we understand when its inappropriate. There are very few people who could honestly succeed in life if they didn't have that moral compass or the control of self moderation; Hopkins is an exception. Lets not kid ourselves that speaking our mind will afford us more friends and enhance our career prospects because it certainly won't and Hopkins was well aware of this when she attended both St Augustine's school, Sandhurst and The Apprentice. What Hopkins does now isn't something she has always done and she only does it now because it suits its purpose and earns her a living.

I fully understand why Hopkins does what she does but if I heard people in the street talking like she does I could only assume they had a form of turrets.

Jack The Cat 01-02-2015 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7555413)
There are limitations put in place to protect us all and so freedom of speech is only as much freedom as the law allows. Hopkins uses her remaining rights on free speech to speak her mind and there is nothing wrong with that up to a point.

Behind closed doors we are all more likely to speak our minds with like minded people but the majority of us are brought up with self moderation; we know when its okay to say something and we understand when its inappropriate. There are very few people who could honestly succeed in life if they didn't have that moral compass or the control of self moderation; Hopkins is an exception. Lets not kid ourselves that speaking our mind will afford us more friends and enhance our career prospects because it certainly won't and Hopkins was well aware of this when she attended both St Augustine's school, Sandhurst and The Apprentice. What Hopkins does now isn't something she has always done and she only does it now because it suits its purpose and earns her a living.

I fully understand why Hopkins does what she does but if I heard people in the street talking like she does I could only assume they had a form of turrets.

Good post with valid points.

Drew. 01-02-2015 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7554881)
shes so dumb and ignorant...so fake so evil, so insincere so full of hate and bigotry ...she spews out her endless toxic half baked nonsense opinions....yet never does her homework and ends up getting battered in every argument........Jordan tore her a new anus yesterday in a polite way.....alicia destroyed bully Hopkins every time they clashed, Alicia knew a lot on her subjects, bully knew nothing other than a moronic attention seeking insult
she cant claim any moral high ground and her taunting of perez body fat , ginger babies, her celebrating of child slave labour are all disgusting examples to her children
when perez hasn't waggled his tongue hes owned bully Hopkins every time, simply by being a a nicer warmer more sincere more forgiving person..
even patsy made far more sense with her polite requests to give pacifism a chance
now even cheggers is tearing her to shreds....hes told the moronic twat he doesn't have to be abusive to be REAL...he is being real and real can be nice...he told her walking in half way through a discussion without knowing the facts then throwing out opinions and arguments is stupid and all done to promote her own disgusting brand of hateful bigotry.....its boring says cheggers and the great man is spot on , that's exactly what it is
shes stupider than Alicia and the most ignorant desperado in there

The Truth, Whole Truth, Nuthin' But The Truth

DemolitionRed 01-02-2015 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack The Cat (Post 7555425)
Good post with valid points.

Thank you Sir!

poppsywoppsy 01-02-2015 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Deebo (Post 7555379)
She's lost every argument because she's a coward and a long-term social outcast lacking in self-confidence and social skills

She's used to playing the part of the extremist on Twitter where she doesn't have to defend herself, so she has no practice in real world social situations, unlike Katie Price, Nadia etc. Strong women who have had to argue and scrap and defend themselves and achieve their goals

Also because she has a limited range of knowledge, perhaps owing to her lack of social skills, and her vocabulary pales to nothing when compared with a professional broadcaster like Nadia or Keith

It's easy to say you hate immigrants, muslims, gays, poor people and disabled people on Twitter, but it's not easy to justify those opinions when challenged. This is why she's been a bit cowardly in hiding those extremist opinions and playing the part of a bitter old ugly posh woman. Perhaps that's the real Hopkins?

There's also a huge lack of self control. It's been speculated that Hopkins was bullied for her looks as a child, which is as unsurprising as it is cruel, sadly. That's why she melts when faced with people who have the qualities she desires but could never possess, such as Keith's sense of humour, Price's good looks, Perez's effortless ability to be controversial, Nadia's intelligence, integrity and commitment to telling the truth about difficult, complex subjects

These qualities are everything Hopkin isn't (I know her fans admire when she tells the "truth" about fat people, but Nadia operates on a much higher plain which is probably beyond Hopkins and her fans) and she's visibly affected when genuine personalities and celebrities demonstrate the qualities she craves and thinks she needs to be accepted by the beautiful people, the cool kids, the clever crowd etc.

Sorry but a lot of this is complete clap trap.

Nadia operates on a much higher plain, Yes, the one which tells her she is always right, despite being shown a video which plainly disputes her version, so she refused to watch it. To call the police on a stupid old man, yet smacks the wrist of a sexually abusive ranting from her protege Perez.

To put herself in the middle of many arguments not about her, to shout over and tell others to F Off several times.

If this is the higher plain, then I haven't heard KH use this language to anyone else than Perez.

Because KH can argue or dispute points, have you noticed she doesn't crave the last word, as Nadia, Katie P or Keith does but this is not losing an argument, it is knowing that speaking to the back of a person leaving the argument, being the only way they know to win.

Nadia in the toilet, what a higher plain for her to tell her views, Pricey monotones or Keith blubbing, wow, how interesting, not for me.

In another barb you also demean Katie H followers. I am educated to degree level, so can think, assess and make my own decisions. To generalize flippantly, does not help get your point across at all.

DemolitionRed 01-02-2015 12:44 PM

Deebo said: She's lost every argument because she's a coward and a long-term social outcast lacking in self-confidence and social skills


I say: Much as I don't admire Hopkins, I think she has very good social skills if and when she needs them. She's the perfect chameleon.


Deebo said: Also because she has a limited range of knowledge, perhaps owing to her lack of social skills, and her vocabulary pales to nothing when compared with a professional broadcaster like Nadia or Keith.

I say: Again I disagree, Hopkins is both articulate and persuasive in her language skills.

Deb said: It's easy to say you hate immigrants, muslims, gays, poor people and disabled people on Twitter, but it's not easy to justify those opinions when challenged. This is why she's been a bit cowardly in hiding those extremist opinions and playing the part of a bitter old ugly posh woman. Perhaps that's the real Hopkins?

I say: I agree. Its easy to be the dominant voice from behind the bullet screen but we are yet to see her own that dominant voice. Hopkins has some excellent defence mechanisms which allow her to avoid rationalization.

I also think Hopkins has got a huge amount of self control. She would of been great in the British army because she's a superb strategist but this is what (and this is my opinion) makes Hopkins a dangerous woman. Whilst she would make an excellent director, one could never consider her to be a safe friend.

She's ruthless and unfortunately you often have to be ruthless to get to the top. That doesn't make her a likeable person in my world but I don't have to like her, she doesn't care; it makes little difference to either of us ;)

poppsywoppsy 01-02-2015 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7555516)
Deebo said: She's lost every argument because she's a coward and a long-term social outcast lacking in self-confidence and social skills


I say: Much as I don't admire Hopkins, I think she has very good social skills if and when she needs them. She's the perfect chameleon.


Deebo said: Also because she has a limited range of knowledge, perhaps owing to her lack of social skills, and her vocabulary pales to nothing when compared with a professional broadcaster like Nadia or Keith.

I say: Again I disagree, Hopkins is both articulate and persuasive in her language skills.

Deb said: It's easy to say you hate immigrants, muslims, gays, poor people and disabled people on Twitter, but it's not easy to justify those opinions when challenged. This is why she's been a bit cowardly in hiding those extremist opinions and playing the part of a bitter old ugly posh woman. Perhaps that's the real Hopkins?

I say: I agree. Its easy to be the dominant voice from behind the bullet screen but we are yet to see her own that dominant voice. Hopkins has some excellent defence mechanisms which allow her to avoid rationalization.

I also think Hopkins has got a huge amount of self control. She would of been great in the British army because she's a superb strategist but this is what (and this is my opinion) makes Hopkins a dangerous woman. Whilst she would make an excellent director, one could never consider her to be a safe friend.

She's ruthless and unfortunately you often have to be ruthless to get to the top. That doesn't make her a likeable person in my world but I don't have to like her, she doesn't care; it makes little difference to either of us ;)

I agree with your post.

She has a lot of skills that others haven't given her credit for.

She took flak from Keith and Katie P yesterday, what did she do? Shrugged her shoulders and said it was good to see Keith get off the fence, she said it about KP too.

GiRTh 01-02-2015 01:06 PM

Don't really agree with the OP. SHe won plenty of arguments in the house but the HM's are a bit wiser to her so KP and Cheggers arent scared anymore. I think Nadia and Patsy were a bit scared of Hopkins., In fact Patsy was quite pathetic.

Just keep Hopkins talking and she cant stop the hate from coming out.


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