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kirklancaster 21-02-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7604846)
A one off.
When a story like this pops up you can be 99% sure the names of the people involved are of an Arabic origin.

I agree Paul - That's what I meant when I said "Say's it all". In other words it was no great surprise.

Kizzy 21-02-2015 12:07 PM

It's not a given though as seen, stereotyping doesn't necessarily apply to radicalised teens so no I don't think you can apply the Muslim? nuff said logic.

arista 21-02-2015 01:12 PM

The romantic vision of Isis Killers
groomed those young girls

Northern Monkey 21-02-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7604873)
It's not a given though as seen, stereotyping doesn't necessarily apply to radicalised teens so no I don't think you can apply the Muslim? nuff said logic.

Nobodies saying all Muslims are terrorists but these days most terrorists are Muslims.

JoshBB 21-02-2015 03:12 PM

Such a shame.. we need to stop letting under 18's get on planes without parental consent - I thought that was the law anyway tbh

arista 21-02-2015 05:09 PM

The Family of one of the Girls has put out a Statement
saying please go to the Police of any nation.

Also one tweet has been found
of a pick up
http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-480x360.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1431564/fa...y-out-of-syria

arista 21-02-2015 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 7605208)
Such a shame.. we need to stop letting under 18's get on planes without parental consent - I thought that was the law anyway tbh


Not with Turkey
they allow 12 year old girls to travel
as its family members in most cases

kirklancaster 22-02-2015 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7605175)
Nobodies saying all Muslims are terrorists but these days most terrorists are Muslims.

:worship: This is the most succinct yet definitive truth spoken on here so far this year for me. Truly Brilliant.

user104658 22-02-2015 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7606908)
:worship: This is the most succinct yet definitive truth spoken on here so far this year for me. Truly Brilliant.

:joker: and I thought you didn't understand hyperbole, kirk!

Kizzy 22-02-2015 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7605175)
Nobodies saying all Muslims are terrorists but these days most terrorists are Muslims.

There is a fair amount of scaremongering going on, when people start making generalisations basted on where people live and their ethnicity then it's not unusual to interpret the issue as that.

Livia 22-02-2015 12:39 PM

I see some Muslim groups are blaming the authorities, the airport, Special Branch... all kinds of agencies for letting them get through the airport. This time last week some Muslim groups were moaning about too much surveillance and intrusion.

The girls have gone with the intention of joining ISIL. They should never be allowed back here.

Kizzy 22-02-2015 12:48 PM

I don't subscribe to that at all I think they should be allowed back they are children who have been brainwashed is all.
If we hear of the methods used to lure these girls it could prevent it happening to others.

To be fair it's natural to want answers with them being minors.

Livia 22-02-2015 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7607078)
I don't subscribe to that at all I think they should be allowed back they are children who have been brainwashed is all.
If we hear of the methods used to lure these girls it could prevent it happening to others.

To be fair it's natural to want answers with them being minors.

The answers should come from the parents if they are, as you say, children. Their passports probably wouldn't have been checked until the airline checked them. Blame the airline if the parents are to be, as usual, absolved of any responsibility for their own kids. And brainwashed by whom? Brainwashed isn't the same as radicalised.

None of them should ever be allowed back in the country. They are a massive threat to national security and we should take a tough stance rather than let them back in. If they're let back in other young people will know that we're ridiculously liberal as a nation and there will be no consequences if they leave to join a terrorist organisation.

kirklancaster 22-02-2015 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7607084)
The answers should come from the parents if they are, as you say, children. Their passports probably wouldn't have been checked until the airline checked them. Blame the airline if the parents are to be, as usual, absolved of any responsibility for their own kids. And brainwashed by whom? Brainwashed isn't the same as radicalised.

None of them should ever be allowed back in the country. They are a massive threat to national security and we should take a tough stance rather than let them back in. If they're let back in other young people will know that we're ridiculously liberal as a nation and there will be no consequences if they leave to join a terrorist organisation.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

Kizzy 22-02-2015 01:28 PM

I don't understand what absolved of any responsibility means in relation to the parents, what could they have done watch teens 24/7.. it's not possible.
What is the difference between brainwashed and radicalised would you say?
They are 15-16yr old girls, and British citizens.
In my opinion it would be reactionary to not allow them back, of course there would be consequenses they would be easier to assess here than there.

Helen 28 22-02-2015 02:25 PM

Once you get to the stage of leaving the country to join a death cult you are too far gone for a telling off from your mom and dad.

They are probably already enrolled on the ISIS breeding programme if they've crossed the border.

I certainly wouldn't ever let them back here as once they have been brainwashed they're far too risky to the general public.

Assuming their parents are telling the truth and they really do want them back I feel sorry for them.

kirklancaster 22-02-2015 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Helen 28 (Post 7607195)
Once you get to the stage of leaving the country to join a death cult you are too far gone for a telling off from your mom and dad.

They are probably already enrolled on the ISIS breeding programme if they've crossed the border.

I certainly wouldn't ever let them back here as once they have been brainwashed they're far too risky to the general public.

Assuming their parents are telling the truth and they really do want them back I feel sorry for them.

:clap1: Good post Helen.

Kizzy 22-02-2015 05:04 PM

Yes it's much easier to monitor people from the other side of the world what am I thinking.... :/

Northern Monkey 22-02-2015 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7606908)
:worship: This is the most succinct yet definitive truth spoken on here so far this year for me. Truly Brilliant.

:smug:

Northern Monkey 22-02-2015 05:22 PM

Hmm.If these girls were 18,19,20 i would 100% be all for never letting them back into Britain.However being 15 and 16 i think i would let them return as they are still children.Their parents must be beside themselves.
I think they were too young and stupid to make the decision they did.
However i think its pretty certain that once they end up in the hands of ISIS there will be no escape.I would think they will regret this decision for the rest of their life.

InOne 22-02-2015 05:31 PM

After all this media attention there's no way they will be coming back. ISIS would kill them first

empire 22-02-2015 09:40 PM

silly pair of girls, really naïve, but younger ones don't think, I also heard that isis is offering nutella and kittens to women, which I found very funny,

GypsyGoth 22-02-2015 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by empire (Post 7608006)
silly pair of girls, really naïve, but younger ones don't think, I also heard that isis is offering nutella and kittens to women, which I found very funny,

Ooo nutella and kittens??!! :amazed:

Now I'm tempted.

Northern Monkey 23-02-2015 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by empire (Post 7608006)
silly pair of girls, really naïve, but younger ones don't think, I also heard that isis is offering nutella and kittens to women, which I found very funny,

God dam ISIS!Stealing my pulling techniques :fist:

Helen 28 23-02-2015 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7607378)
Hmm.If these girls were 18,19,20 i would 100% be all for never letting them back into Britain.However being 15 and 16 i think i would let them return as they are still children.Their parents must be beside themselves.
I think they were too young and stupid to make the decision they did.
However i think its pretty certain that once they end up in the hands of ISIS there will be no escape.I would think they will regret this decision for the rest of their life.

The old adage if you can't do the time don't do the crime fits this case well.

They may be children on paper but once radicalised there is hardly any chance of a way back. They must agree with all the unbelievable brutality they've seen on tv or they wouldn't have gone.

They are well old enough to understand, they aren't toddlers.


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