Out of all the Talent Shows and the amount of series that they've all done only Kelly Clarkson has won for that group.

That says it all really doesn't it?

No..

You're just proving my point, you'll skirt around the truth no matter how much evidence gets shown to you.

I think that BB and TXF need to sort their prejudices out with certain groups, but when people want to keep ignoring because they don't want to accept the facts then it's never gonna change and we'll just keep getting Anthony Hutton/Stevie winners all of the time.

That's not evidence though..

'only 2 gay men have won BB' is hardly an argument for people/the show being homophobic, so your argument about them being anti-pretty is just as ridiculous imo.

You don't think that a lot of the BB viewers that aren't on the Forums are homophobic?

And also to do with the Talent shows how many more pretty white girls have got to be shunned for you to believe that there's something wrong with the publics mentality to do with that group?

No! It should have been Sasha/Sheena/Karis

I kind of agree with you Mock but I think some of the examples you give as proof are very sketchy...

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Which ones would you use though? I'm using a lot of the recent ones because this is when I've been on the Forums the most.

Thanks for at least acknowledging the fact that there's a problem with the public and young pretty white girls though, imo like with all groups on these shows don't support them when they're crap, but support them when they've got someone good.

I'll go with your list in your sig

Amelia - she came 3rd and the eventual winners were even prettier, Jade especially is beautiful, you could use Jessy being bullied to say they got sympathy but then you could say that about almost every act these days. Amelia only lost out on top 2 because Marcus was on top form in the final and she wasn't that hated because she was voted back in.

Lauren - At first I loved her, she was my favourite up until about week 5 and that was when she began to sound very samey, I thought she played it too safe and I started to like Fleur more.

I pretty much always support girls on the shows even the pretty ones you say get treated unfairly.

You're one individual though, and it's mainly the older women that vote on these shows anyway so they're the main ones to blame for both the BB and XF prejudices.

And with Amelia and Lauren despite being some of the best in their series they did have about 80% of the public not willing to vote for them under any circumstances and was willing to vote for Ben, Fleur, Andrea, and OTY who was all also quite samey in the series, that's why I've never bought that reason from the general public as a reason for people not to have liked Lauren, I think it was some peoples issue with her but certainly not most of them.

Yes :laugh:

Well he's number 1 so,whether you deem him '****' or not,obviously a whole lot of people don't,as for the pretty girl thing Mock,it's a bit shallow,if people like someones music it doesn't matter what gender they are or what they look like(well it shouldn't)

Why people care if a man wins is beyond me, personally if I feel that they're the best then they should win, sadly in Stevie's case though he was a disgrace to Rock Music and we're getting too many of these lately and it needs to stop as it will put me off Rock Music.

And Kazanne I agree that peoples looks shouldn't come into it, but when people on these shows are always so determined to eliminate pretty white girls at nearly every opportunity it does become a problem that needs to be rectified.