This.

Some people (myself being one of them) are just very fond of and feel very affectionate towards animals, it's not really fair to brand that "over the top" just because you happen to not feel that way.

As for "a dog is not human", we're all very aware. How that makes drowning it any less reprehensible is beyond me.

Acute transient psychotic episodes (colloquially, "rage blackouts") are actually more common than you would think under certain conditions and can be triggered specifically by things like repeated irritating noise, because the noise repeatedly interrupts normal thought process and doesn't give the mind time to rationalise. It's often compounded by things like drawn out periods of stress / lack of sleep, etc.

Not so common for them to result in something so drastically violent but it doesn't necessarily say anything at all about the "sort of person" involved.

As for the cover-up, I would call that entirely natural and actually psychologically positive. It means that in all likelihood he instantly realised what he had done and how awful it was, so set about covering it up. The truth is, the vast majority of people would do just that if they realised they had done something shameful like that. A lot of people would do it even if what had happened was an accident like hitting a pet with a car, even people who would insist before the fact "Oh I definitely wouldn't I would find the owners and tell them!". Guilt is a strange and unpredictable motivator.

It would be much MORE worrying if he had started bellowing over the fence at the house about what he had done, or simply left the dog there and gone on about his day. That would, for me, demonstrate that he didn't understand at all the gravity of his actions. He didn't do a very good job of covering it up at all, which suggests a panic after it was already done rather than any premeditated action.

I guess it sounds like I'm trying to make excuses... I'm not, I think he definitely needs help on some level. I just, as always, don't believe in "folks who are just plain evil" and think it's important to understand why things like this happen in the first place rather than simply wringing hands in the aftermath.

I never said you didn't...I just wondered why you focused on the effects of prison when replying to my quote :/

If you in all absolute seriousness would, in a hypothetical situation, trade the life of a human child (even on that you don't personally know) for your own dog, then you are either a liar or a sociopath.

If it was calculated they wouldn't have found it in his house. They would have never found it at all.

Where did she say anything of the sort? :conf:

She said a dog's life is just as important to her as a human's. Where is this nonsense about trading a human child for a dog coming from? Maybe stick to what people are actually saying instead of utterly twisting their words.

A child? I honestly couldn't answer that. Don't think I could live with myself if i was the reason a child lost it's life, but equally i couldn't live with myself if i'd let my dog die.

I'd trade the life of a human adult (that i don't personally know) though. I'm certainly not a liar so if that makes me a sociopath then i'd happily take that label :hee:

Upon reflection, said human adult could be a mother or a father, don't think i could do that to someones family. I don't really know where your question came from but i can't give a proper answer because i've never been in a situation where i've had to choose (nor do i ever want to be), so i don't know what i'd do, i'd probably kill myself so i didn't have to make the decision.

Of Course


But a non stop barking dog
left to bark
made the next door man Snap.



Ammi
just told me it was for a Disabled Girl
as if that makes any change
to the dogs non stop barking

I didn't even notice that, where the hell did that question even come from lmao.

I'll happily answer it though, i don't care if i look like a "sociopath". My dogs are my family.

Drowning a dog is more likely to be sociopathic than loving one, let's be honest here.

And hypothetically prioritising a pet you love and care for over an adult human stranger isn't strange at all, I'd wager that the majority of pet owners would say the same. Well, the ones who truly care for their pets and class them as family, anyway.

What happens when is does die as
normal life of the dog?

It happens quite frequently in animal debates, people like to pluck non-existent quotes out of mid-air and suggest that animal lovers have no regard for human life at all, despite nothing of the sort being suggested. :shrug:

I will grieve the loss of my dog?

Yeah, it's ridiculous though because that type of question can't really be answered.
I don't know what i'd do in that situation so tbh it's all just guessing.

Sadly, killing pets, particularly dogs is a pretty common occurrence both here and abroad. The usual method is poisoning, something that happened to one of my dogs once, and she didn't bark at all. I think there are just some very cruel and nasty people around.

A dog's life is not "just as important" as a human life and no one would realistically trade a dog's life for a human's. Someone might - if they were being massively selfish - trade an unknown human life for their own beloved pet but no one, literally no one, in their right mind would see an unknown dog and an unknown human about to die and choose to save the dog. Because a dog's life is less important. People don't like admitting that because they are sentimental. People are more upset by stories about dogs in the press than stories about people for the same reason.

And likewise, apparently, people would like to paint someone who killed a dog in a moment of rage out to be evil and unthinkable beasts because. That's why it's relevant. People's ideas about what the appropiate response in this case is are wildly distorted.

No one gives a **** when an exterminator sets traps to kill rats that have "invaded their home", because in their bubble "rats are a pest" and what do you do with pests? Kill 'em! Not a second thought. Rats are just as intelligent as dogs. Are their lives worth less than a dog's? Why is it OK to kill a rat that's annoying you but not a dog that's annoying you? And then why not a human that's annoying you? Becaaauuuse....

Some lives are worth more than others. There's no other explanation.

Oh no apparently the man just snapped :whistle:

Funny you bring up rats because I have 2 (about to be 3) of them. I hate the fact people kill them because they are "pests", it is not ok.

Yep some lives are worth more than others. My innocent, loving dogs and rats lives are worth a lot more than some humans lives. A good example would be this here man that killed Meg the dog, his life is worth no where near as much as my dogs and rats lives are worth.

What's with all the bizarre hypotheticals? :/

This was just some bloke who as he stated in a moment of madness snapped and killed a dog then dug about in it's flesh for a chip so he could dispose of it without detection.

How anyone here feels about their pets is entirely irrelevant.

While i agree that the bizarre hypotheticals are unnecessary; the pets thing isn't entirely irrelevant, stories like this make people think about their pets.

Yes it is. It is however, not more sociopathic than killing a human to save your dog.

The majority of pet owners would probably dramatically declare that they would choose the pet. If actually faced with a situation where it was a genuine choice, the majority wouldn't actually do it.


Here's another scenario, although I'm not sure they're all that helpful:

You're driving through your town. Little bobby, your pet dog who has somehow escaped from home, runs out into the road. In a split second, you realise that if you brake, it'll be too late and you'll still hit the dog. If you swerve, however, you'll hit a pedestrian. Do you brake or swerve? NO ONE would realistically swerve! Anyone who would shouldn't be on the bloody road...

Couldn't disagree with every word more. That's all that needs to be said, we're never going to agree here. :)

How bizarre, you seem to be wildly making assumptions with zero basis and running with them now. No, I'm not okay with killing rats.

Here's a tip, get the facts before running your mouth and never think you have the authority to speak for me, because you absolutely don't. :)

So, a human who isn't a good person is worth more than a valued, cherished pet automatically because they're a human? How happy I am that I don't share this mindset.

It's entirely relevant when people are discussing what the appropriate action to be taken is. People are inflating the severity of the crime because they feel warm and fluffy about puppies.

I couldn't agree more if I tried lmao :clap1:

TS, arista, etc. I think we're going to just have to agree to disagree.