We'll have to agree to disagree then Jack.
I would have thought i'd been around this forum long enough and discussed such subjects directly with you in the past to the point where you wouldn't need to even insinuate that i had a single homophobic cell in my body!
Am i allowed to be offended ?

I never once insinuated that you were homophobic, so please don't take it that way.

I just get a bit bored of speculation about people's sexualities which are, as I said, rooted in a belief that being camp = gay when that isn't the case at all. It's not just on here, but society as a whole.

So you won't answer the question?
:joker:

Personally I think he is but whether he is gay or straight is nobody's business

It's 2015 and people still believe that 'camp', 'feminine' guys must be gay LMAO

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What signs? The only possible sign he is gay if he actually says "I'm gay". Unless you're talking about him acting 'camp', which you will find has no correlation to someone's sexuality and even more shockingly, homosexual men can enjoy activities such as football which defy the gay stereotype (because that's what they are, stereotypes, and the personality of someone doesn't determine their sexuality)

Thanks for explaining the difference between camp and gay, as if I didn't already know.

I still stand by my statement, there are signs.

Why does it matter to you though?

Do you want to shag him?

I don't usually like threads like this because it shouldn't matter if he's gay or camp (which are two different things btw) but the speculation about Joel is interesting to me because it reminds me of my own experiences. When I was 19 I was also a virgin, and I still didn't know (or rather I didn't want to admit to myself) that I was gay, I had quite a conservative upbringing so it was hard for me to come to terms with it and I stayed in denial for a long time throughout my teens, and didn't come out till I was 20 (which was when I lost my virginity). So yeah I can see some similarities between myself and Joel, and so it wouldn't surprise me if he turned out gay, if he follows a similar path to me. But everyone has their own path and his might be completely different to mine, or anyone else's on this forum who think they can analyse Joel based on their own experiences so personally I'm going to chose to respect how he identifies himself rather than how he is perceived by others. If his self-identification as straight changes then good luck to him. If not, who cares? I've known plenty of straight men a lot camper than Joel. It's a personality trait, not a reflection of which gender you're attracted to.

On the other hand...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0kqobQRcUo

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It doesn't matter.

If I was gay trust me I would have way higher standards, whether you like women or men your standards should be the same.

Maybe he's in the closet.
Maybe he doesn't know?
Maybe he's just confused.

None of it really matters. Either way, if he says he's straight, you accept he's straight.

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slut drop says a lot lol

It was funny, because Cristian and Joel did it almost at the same time. :joker:

every comment of yours Vanessa includes Cristian lmao

Until he says otherwise, he should be assumed and thought of as straight, end of story.

Chroel made the headlines! :cheer2:

http://bit.ly/1ITDdgY

I'm confused, you mentioned "headlines" but posted a link to the Daily Star

:laugh: it's funny, because they would never show this on the highlights. It doesn't go with their script.

"Are you two in bed together?," she questioned prompting a flustered Cristian to say: "It's not what it looks like, it's not what it looks like."

SCREAMING

Where's the 'h' come from? :think:

:joker: Joel trying to spoon Cristian.

Of course they're going to show it on the highlights. How else would the Daily Star know about it?

They have never showed it before. It's going into Craig and Anthony territory and viewers don't even know these two are close. :hehe:

Omg Craig and Anthony lol.

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