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Jordan. 26-10-2015 11:37 PM

It wasn't even that bad, people acting like he beat her to near death for removing her from a chair

Tom4784 26-10-2015 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249256)
But as Livia said, we only saw a 30 second clip.

He might have been stood trying to remove her from the room for half an hour beforehand.

It's like on Big Brother, how differently we perceive situations depending on how heavily it's been edited.

It doesn't really matter, the situation obviously didn't escalate to such a point where violence would be needed previously otherwise she'd have been taken down and removed when it escalated not after it had settled down to a point when she was calmly sitting at her desk.

The cop obviously didn't stick to procedure, throwing someone down to the floor using their desk and them dragging them around is not how you arrest someone who isn't offering physical resistance.

Kizzy 26-10-2015 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249256)
But as Livia said, we only saw a 30 second clip.

He might have been stood trying to remove her from the room for half an hour beforehand.

It's like on Big Brother, how differently we perceive situations depending on how heavily it's been edited. I'm sure you could edit a tonne of footage to make it appear for 30 seconds that Helen Wood was victimised every night during BB15. But we know this wasn't the case. :laugh:

So that's how you want to attempt to justify it, with some bizarre hypothetical? ok.

Marsh. 26-10-2015 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249269)
So that's how you want to attempt to justify it, with some bizarre hypothetical? ok.

Where have I justified it?

It's not a bizarre hypothetical, it's a fact. 30 second footage from a situation we were not involved with doesn't tell us anything. How long had the police officer been standing there before the clip started? What happened before the clip started? Etc etc.

Marsh. 26-10-2015 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8249264)
It doesn't really matter, the situation obviously didn't escalate to such a point where violence would be needed previously otherwise she'd have been taken down and removed when it escalated not after it had settled down to a point when she was calmly sitting at her desk.

The cop obviously didn't stick to procedure, throwing someone down to the floor using their desk and them dragging them around is not how you arrest someone who isn't offering physical resistance.

He hardly battered her. He did what any police officer would do, drag the person resisting.

But, as I said earlier, those ridiculous desks used in American schools trapped her legs inside of it.

Kizzy 26-10-2015 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249279)
Where have I justified it?

It's not a bizarre hypothetical, it's a fact. 30 second footage from a situation we were not involved with doesn't tell us anything. How long had the police officer been standing there before the clip started? What happened before the clip started? Etc etc.

Fact?... you see the facts, you're speculating on something you can't see.

Marsh. 26-10-2015 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249304)
Fact?... you see the facts, you're speculating on something you can't see.

I said it's a fact that we see only 30 seconds of this situation.

Take a snapshot of anything and it can distort any picture.

Kizzy 27-10-2015 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249305)
I said it's a fact that we see only 30 seconds of this situation.

Take a snapshot of anything and it can distort any picture.

If you let your imagination run away with you that will distort it too.

Marsh. 27-10-2015 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249314)
If you let your imagination run away with you that will distort it too.

I haven't imagined anything. Unlike some, I haven't jumped to a conclusion based on 30 seconds of footage uploaded to twitter.

Kizzy 27-10-2015 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249315)
I haven't imagined anything. Unlike some, I haven't jumped to a conclusion based on 30 seconds of footage uploaded to twitter.

Jumped to a conclusion?... I see what is there, not what isn't is all.

Marsh. 27-10-2015 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249316)
Jumped to a conclusion?... I see what is there, not what isn't is all.

You've deduced who is in the wrong and who isn't, that is a conclusion.

I haven't. And don't see anything. I don't let twitter make my decisions for me.

Jordan. 27-10-2015 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249316)
Jumped to a conclusion?... I see what is there, not what isn't is all.

Didn't you jump to the conclusion it was to do with race

Marsh. 27-10-2015 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8249250)
Probably more to do with the fact that nearly all cases of police brutality that come to light involve black victims. There's been so many over the past few years in particular that it's hard to deny that it's a valid problem.

Exactly. The ones that "come to light" depend on the medias agenda at any given time.

Kizzy 27-10-2015 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249318)
You've deduced who is in the wrong and who isn't, that is a conclusion.

I haven't. And don't see anything. I don't let twitter make my decisions for me.

I see what is before my eyes, if you choose to be blinkered that is your issue.

Marsh. 27-10-2015 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249249)
Neither, it's because there is video evidence of officers not adhering to procedure and abusing people.

The post you responded to was a question directed at Dezzy about his own opinion, I don't think you're quite qualified to answer on his behalf.

Kizzy 27-10-2015 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 8249319)
Didn't you jump to the conclusion it was to do with race

I stated a fact, it was a black student.

Jordan. 27-10-2015 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249324)
I stated a fact, it was a black student.

Why was that relevant?

Marsh. 27-10-2015 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249322)
I see what is before my eyes, if you choose to be blinkered that is your issue.

What is blinkered about what I said?

That I won't let a 30 second twitter video convince me that a particular police officer was acting out of racism?

As I said before, I haven't reached any conclusion about the situation because I don't let twitter tell me what to deduce from the video.

Kizzy 27-10-2015 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249323)
The post you responded to was a question directed at Dezzy about his own opinion, I don't think you're quite qualified to answer on his behalf.

I'll post as and when I see fit on a topic, it's the nature of discussion forum, this isn't a private conversation is it?

Marsh. 27-10-2015 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249327)
I'll post as and when I see fit on a topic, it's the nature of discussion forum, this isn't a private conversation is it?

No but you can't exactly answer a question about Dezzy's own personal thoughts on a topic can you? Are you inside his head?

Kizzy 27-10-2015 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249326)
What is blinkered about what I said?

That I won't let a 30 second twitter video convince me that a particular police officer was acting out of racism?

As I said before, I haven't reached any conclusion about the situation because I don't let twitter tell me what to deduce from the video.

Who mentioned racism? I didn't. I see an officer abusing a student as that is all there is to see.

Kizzy 27-10-2015 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249328)
No but you can't exactly answer a question about Dezzy's own personal thoughts on a topic can you? Are you inside his head?

Did I attempt to? You're veering off topic here.

Marsh. 27-10-2015 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249330)
Did I attempt to?

Yes. :joker: You answered a question directed specifically towards Dezzy's opinion.

Marsh. 27-10-2015 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8249329)
Who mentioned racism? I didn't. I see an officer abusing a student as that is all there is to see.

It's one of the possibilities being discussed in this thread and you yourself saw fit to discuss the fact that the schoolgirl was black on page 1. :shrug:

Kizzy 27-10-2015 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 8249331)
Yes. :joker: You answered a question directed specifically towards Dezzy's opinion.

If you only wanted dezzys opinion send him a PM... This is a public forum.


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