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waterhog 16-11-2015 09:35 AM

I am a bit confused about this thread - I thought this was about Justin - I am a belieber

Ammi 16-11-2015 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8291602)
I'm just saying, i think you are really religious, but you don't want people to think you are really a true religious person because you think they will think you are ignorant and all the other negative stereotypes of religious people.

..ahhh I see what you're saying...and I guess that would be how religious was defined because my only belief is in people and especially the people who I love most in this world....

lostalex 16-11-2015 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8291627)
..ahhh I see what you're saying...and I guess that would be how religious was defined because my only belief is in people and especially the people who I love most in this world....

but do you really believe in god is what i'm saying... i think you do. don't you?

Ammi 16-11-2015 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8291629)
but do you really believe in god is what i'm saying... i think you do. don't you?

..I believe in the belief that (some) people have in their God and whatever positivity that gives them or however that enriches their lives...

DemolitionRed 16-11-2015 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8291000)
Do you not think you should?

Not unless I have definitive proof.

Do I believe in a greater force? I remain open minded.

Do I believe in the bibles interpretation of God? no

Crimson Dynamo 16-11-2015 10:03 AM

does anyone think that if you say out loud

I dare God to make my life amazing.
I dare God to make my home into a dream home
I dare God to turn all of my friends into the best friends i could possibly hope for

that would work either?


of course not

Livia 16-11-2015 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8291656)
does anyone think that if you say out loud

I dare God to make my life amazing.
I dare God to make my home into a dream home
I dare God to turn all of my friends into the best friends i could possibly hope for

that would work either?


of course not

He's God, he's not a genie.

Crimson Dynamo 16-11-2015 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8291650)
Not unless I have definitive proof.

Do I believe in a greater force? I remain open minded.

Do I believe in the bibles interpretation of God? no

You can remain open minded about everything of course and that is what science does - but still realise that any religious ideas are highly (99.9%) unrealistic and as such should not feature in our schools or politics


The fact that belief in a god allows men to say " well I will bypass common held morality and law because i can justify this by saying god allows it and lets face it noone can check" results in most of the vile things in the world

Crimson Dynamo 16-11-2015 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8291658)
He's God, he's not a genie.

he is nothing that is why he or it does nothing and does not exist:smug:


If you pray to a chair ( a nice one mind) you get the same results 100% of the time

Crimson Dynamo 16-11-2015 10:09 AM

and if he can create a universe then he can knock up a fecking dream home

Livia 16-11-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8291661)
he is nothing that is why he or it does nothing and does not exist:smug:


If you pray to a chair ( a nice one mind) you get the same results 100% of the time

I think you'd have to pray to a chair first and see the results. You've got to pray hard. Off you go... let me know how it works out for you.

lostalex 16-11-2015 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8291658)
He's God, he's not a genie.

but that's not what religions tell people/ religions tell people that god is paying particular attention to them and their wishes. religions tell them that god listens to every prayer and that if you just have enough belief and loyalty to god he will give them what they want. that is what all religions tell their followers, so religions do make it seem like god is a genie. and just like psychics, when someone's prayers don't get answered, they say it's because they don't believe well enough or don't pray hard enough, they make people feel like it;'s their fault when god doesn't deliver.

it's no different to psychics. if the psychic gets it wrong then it's YOUR fault for not believing enough. you aren't opening up enough, it's your fault for not being good enough for god.

Jamie89 16-11-2015 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8290877)
And you feel the same about invisible 6 breasted mermaids the size of planets?

Ie cant be proved ir disproved

This reminded me of the flying spaghetti monster :laugh:

Jamie89 16-11-2015 11:32 AM

What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

Niamh. 16-11-2015 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 8291739)
What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

:laugh3:

Mokka 16-11-2015 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 8291739)
What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

:joker::joker::joker:

lostalex 16-11-2015 11:50 AM

if you read the bible, it does seem that god has the maturity level of a 15 y/o. he killed people just because the devil dared him.

Livia 16-11-2015 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8291721)
but that's not what religions tell people/ religions tell people that god is paying particular attention to them and their wishes. religions tell them that god listens to every prayer and that if you just have enough belief and loyalty to god he will give them what they want. that is what all religions tell their followers, so religions do make it seem like god is a genie. and just like psychics, when someone's prayers don't get answered, they say it's because they don't believe well enough or don't pray hard enough, they make people feel like it;'s their fault when god doesn't deliver.

it's no different to psychics. if the psychic gets it wrong then it's YOUR fault for not believing enough. you aren't opening up enough, it's your fault for not being good enough for god.

I don't recognise any of that as being pertinent to my own faith, Alex.

lostalex 16-11-2015 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8291752)
I don't recognise any of that as being pertinent to my own faith, Alex.

well most religious people have very selective hearing Livia. it's easy to hear what you want to hear and tune out the rest. I find it hard to believe that you've never heard a person of your faith say that someone who defied the faith "got what they deserved" if they came upon misfortune, or that someone of your faith is not really part of your faith because they weren't loyal enough. That happens in every faith community.

Livia 16-11-2015 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8291759)
well most religious people have very selective hearing Livia. it's easy to hear what you want to hear and tune out the rest. I find it hard to believe that you've never heard a person of your faith say that someone who defied the faith "got what they deserved" if they came upon misfortune, or that someone of your faith is not really part of your faith because they weren't loyal enough. That happens in every faith community.

That's quite a statement, Alex. No, with my hand on my heart, I have never heard anyone of my faith rejoice in the misfortune of others. If anyone feels they have deserved their downfall it has not had anything to do with faith.

Also, you say you think I might have selective hearing because of my faith. Conversely I generally find people with no faith feel very free to make rude, empty claims about people who do... and I don't know why you would feel entitled to do that. I have no problem with you believing in nothing, I uphold your right to that. I am sorry you can't find it in yourself to wish me the same.

lostalex 16-11-2015 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8291768)
That's quite a statement, Alex. No, with my hand on my heart, I have never heard anyone of my faith rejoice in the misfortune of others. If anyone feels they have deserved their downfall it has not had anything to do with faith.

Also, you say you think I might have selective hearing because of my faith. Conversely I generally find people with no faith feel very free to make rude, empty claims about people who do... and I don't know why you would feel entitled to do that. I have no problem with you believing in nothing, I uphold your right to that. I am sorry you can't find it in yourself to wish me the same.

wait, i didn't wish you the same of what?

i honestly don't care, in the end we are all just rotting meat, so what am i not wishing the same for you about? i only judge people on how they treat other people, and you know damn well religions teach people to treat others badly. and yes, even religions that say treat others well, but they aren't "the chosen ones" is still treating people badly and it's patronizing.

you belong to a religion where they pay "goyim" to turn off light switches for them, because they don't want to upset god, but they don't care that the goyim upset god?? there are happy to pay other humans to upset god but they aren't willing to do it themselves??? that's pretty ****ed up.

Jessica. 16-11-2015 01:38 PM

There is no God.

Livia 16-11-2015 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8291774)
wait, i didn't wish you the same of what?

i honestly don't care, in the end we are all just rotting meat, so what am i not wishing the same for you about? i only judge people on how they treat other people, and you know damn well religions teach people to treat others badly. and yes, even religions that say treat others well, but they aren't "the chosen ones" is still treating people badly and it's patronizing.

you belong to a religion where they pay "goyim" to turn off light switches for them, because they don't want to upset god, but they don't care that the goyim upset god?? there are happy to pay other humans to upset god but they aren't willing to do it themselves??? that's pretty ****ed up.


If you don't believe my religion to be true, why would you feel patronised about the "chosen people" thing? And anyway, this is nonsensical. You're getting my faith confused with Orthodox Judaism, either through ignorance or you're trying to provoke. My faith is my faith and there's nothing you can say to change what's in my heart.

Marsh. 16-11-2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8291602)
I'm just saying, i think you are really religious, but you don't want people to think you are really a true religious person because you think they will think you are ignorant and all the other negative stereotypes of religious people.

Not really. She may be open to the possibility of a "God" but that doesn't make someone religious. She doesn't align herself to any religious denomination.

Belief =/= religious.

Marsh. 16-11-2015 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 8291830)
There is no God.

All right arista, calm down.


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