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- Regardless of what Avery does or doesn't "deserve", the actions of the people involved in the investigation and in pressing the charges are fascinating, and terrifying. There is such blatant corruption, lying and tampering. Such power-tripping. That needs to be explored... their involvement needs to be laid bare because whether or not Avery is guilty, that department is a shambles, and it probably reflects on the entire small-town system in the US. and secondly, - If Avery isn't guilty, even though I don't feel particularly bad for HIM being locked up... him going down for that crime means that a killer is still out there. |
...sorry Cal, somehow I've completely missed his burning of the family cat, Niamh did mention it but I thought it was something that was going to come later but it was obviously something though that he did before his first sentencing..?..hmmm, yes a horrendous and 'evil' thing to do so I do understand your feelings, I really do..and you might think that this is pretty harsh but even in knowing that I've missed that and it's something that happened before the 18yrs imprisonment, it's not what he was convicted for...so part of my thoughts are that maybe they're right/the justice system etc...in him being in prison for those 18yrs, they've prevented him from doing anything else because he seems like a disturbed and screwed up person...but the thing with that though is that for 18yrs, a brutal rapist has been free and out there...so a mindlessly cruel and awful thing to do but to me, maybe more needing help for mental illness issues, rather than prison..?...with how it was, with his 18yrs imprisonment for something he didn't do..?...it's caused his focus/everyone's focus to be on 'wrongful' and on what he didn't do, rather than the things he did do be addressed, like running his cousin off the road with a gun, exposing himself, and burning the family cat, not someone with a sound and healthy mind, I would say...he came out of prison being 'the wronged, innocent person' who had lost 18yrs of his life and the whole focus on that, but in that, never having to address those disturbing things he did do and his overall mental health and him needing help for that...going in with a mentally ill mind and coming out with a mentally ill mind, because serious things needed looking at there and they weren't...
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..and TS, I agree with you about Brendon, he's so obviously vulnerable and I found it heart-breaking to see how the police manipulated him and used those vulnerabilities ...and also them pushing him one way and his mother pushing him another way and him just wanting to 'give everyone what they wanted'..and his solicitor being fairly useless imo...I am though also interested in Avery because his 'vulnerabilities' as it were, are not so obvious because of the things he's done, which are seriously disturbing...but equally 'mental vulnerabilities' only in a different way and I guess it's like we've all said before on different things, what he needed really was mental health help...what his years of imprisonment have done, are to have prevented that from happening...and also meant that a brutal rapist was free, the same as with Teresa's murder, if they are innocent as you say, then a murderer is still out there...
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the most important thing to me is that both him and brendan recieve a fair trial and the real killer is found even if it is him.
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Yes Ammi - I do agree with you actually on even though the cat thing was horrendous and cruel, there was still a brutal rapist on the loose because Steven Avery was doing time in prison for it. And I guess if there is inconsistencies with the evidence ect (I just couldn't get over the body in the fire pit) then Avery and Dassey deserve a fair trial at least to ensure that Theresa Halbach 's killer(s) are brought to justice, whether it actually be Avery and Dassey or not.
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I think someone else killed her and burned her and then, knowing that the police would JUMP at the opportunity to get Avery, as they were quite clearly already holding grudges, that person knew that it would be easy to frame him. And it was. Basically I think the killer(s) burned her, moved the bones and placed the car on the property. The rest of the evidence was the sheriff's dept, who genuinely believed he was guilty, trying to build a more solid case against him. I fully believe they may well have planted the key, and tampered with blood/dna and bullet evidence along the way. They definitely, in my opinion, completely fabricated Brendan Dassey's role in it and forced his "confession" (which can barely even be called that). |
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..this court case is incredible, the 'tampering' of evidence, that threatening...'if you pursue this then peruse it at your peril'...Bobby's testimony which couldn't have been right because of the dates and that the judge refused a mistrial and refused the jury to disregard the testimony..and the missing texts..(..which her brother could access..)..it's all so suspicious |
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..anyways, the judge is really suspicious in throwing all of the defence things out but allowing most of the prosecution and the convenience of all of the 'ruined' evidence that was so, so important...(I'm going to try to watch some more soon and the I'll be back with my next conspiracy theory..).... |
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Theory #1: Scott Tadych (Avery’s brother-in-law) and Bobby Dassey (Avery’s nephew and Brendan Dassey’s brother) killed Halbach (purposefully or accidentally) and framed Avery for the crime … and then sat back and watched as the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s Department separately did the same. Evidence: The amount of evidence found on the Avery property — including Halbach’s remains and her car – has led many to surmise that if Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey are innocent, the real killer would still likely be someone who had similar access and opportunity, both to Halbach herself and the Avery property. A number of other Avery family members also lived on the property at the time, including Tadych, Janda and all four of the Dassey boys. It was Janda’s car that Halbach came to photograph for Auto Trader magazine, and Tadych more than likely was privy to her visit. Bobby Dassey testified to seeing Halbach taking pictures of his mother’s car, and both men had access to the various locations where evidence was found. Neither was fingerprinted or submitted DNA, and the trailer where they lived was not searched, so there’s no way of knowing if there was evidence linking them to Halbach’s murder, because they were not investigated. Other Evidence: Bobby is believed to be Tadych’s accomplice in this theory, based on the fact that the pair conveniently alibi each other for the time of the murder. Both claimed to have gone hunting that afternoon/evening, but not together, and said they passed each other on the highway during the window of time Halbach is believed to have been killed – but there are no other witnesses to offer further corroboration. Tadych, meanwhile, has a long history of being violent towards women, and showed a strange level of enthusiasm for his brother-in-law’s conviction (he called it “the best thing in the world ever”) despite knowing his step son, Brendan, was facing similar charges. Meanwhile, Bobby Dassey’s testimony at trial had notable inconsistencies and misleading statements, and an unrelated examination the same week as the murder reportedly revealed that Bobby had scratches on his back. Additionally, shortly after Halbach’s death, a coworker of Tadych’s claimed that he was trying to sell a .22 rifle, the same as the gun believed to be the murder weapon, which he said belonged “to one of the Dassey boys.” __________________ |
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...do we know Scott Tadych from the documentary and facts about him, I don't recall any or this is online research..?...that's something that I'll look at as well when I've finished it because although I hadn't figured Scott, I did think straight away last night, Bobby....there is so much incriminating in the prosecution using his testimony...(which the defence had not even been made aware of..)...and it goes with the 'last to see her alive' thing of him also being one of the last people and knowing that he could say something to incriminate Avery and cast all eyes away from him, so a 'perfect crime'..?...also, he went off at 2.45pm-ish, he was sure of time because of his plan to go hunting..?...but could have waited for Teresa to drive off and then in some way, either hijacked her car or followed it and killed her/planted evidence at different times as and when he could and so building it all...also with the messages etc that had been erased and the points that these things are often done by the people closest to the victim and that should have been investigated on as well...?...well, as well as 'close to the victim' suspects, it's surely the same with close to the suspect, those would be the immediate suspects to me/within the family..and who more so than a family member who has suddenly come from nowhere... as observing Teresa going to Avery's van and a huge incrimination and contradiction to Avery's statement.... |
..excuse me if my typing is awful, my laptop is playing up and letters are not connecting always so it looks like misspellings...
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..no, I haven't seen him yet so maybe I'll put him together with Bobby as well when I do...but actually Niamh, this is not making sense...(I must get my shower in a minute and stop obsessing over this..:laugh:..)...but the car was planted first and (it seems, planted by the police dept..)..?..so, how would they know that she wasn't alive at that point, that she would be found with an explanation and nothing sinister had happened to her because it was the killer who was the only one/or people who knew she was dead so why/what purpose in planting the car unless they had seen/knew for certain there was a body..?..for them to plant the car and then Teresa be found alive, would just actually expose them more and help Avery's previous case against the more/signing their own fate...
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..also even in finding the car at Avery's, how would they know that the body still wouldn't have been found somewhere else 'the place of death' that would have somehow made it impossible for the car to be where it was and that it had to be planted and that he couldn't have done it..
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This is also a good point that didn't seem to be mentioned by anyone
Terry W. Howard · DJing at Whiskey's Tavern Ben Holland Actually yes there were remains were discovered at the Quarry An invetigator testified that ther remains found at the Quarry were pelvic bones and were that of Teresa. What sources are you looking at that show the burn area and there was a burn area at the quarry was not connected. #2 I have been an EMT-I for 17 years and I have been on the scene of several burned bodies. There is a smell of burning and burnt flesh that you will NEVER forget. That is ALL Burnt patients. There was not one person testify to an oder coming from the bonfire at Steven Avery's house that night. I promise you until you have seen and smelled a person that has been completely burned up you can not understand the smell that is involved and it would not be contained to that small area. Everyone around could smell it. Example: I responded to the scene of a vehicl accident with entrapment and fire. The smell was overwhelming and unforgetable. It was a 16 Year old high school student who lost his life. Several months later I responded to a House fire with Possible entrapment. I was over 300 yards away from the house and caught the smell of burning flesh and stated that there was someone in the house. Turned out to be 3 people in the house that died that night. So to me the #1 thing that is omitted by EVERYONE is the smell of burnt flesh coming from the fire at Steven Avery's house that is so close to all the other houses which leads me to believe that the body was burned in a different location and brought to Stevens house via the Barrell next door which implicates Scott Tadych. And would explain that each time he tells his story it changes. |
watching the cops interview Brendan to get the "confession" was the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen. The kid obviously had no idea what he was saying, and they were coaching him to say whatever they wanted to hear the whole time.
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