Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8456290)

The edit could make Mother Theresa look like a villain, manipulating the viewers into hating or feeling sorry for someone

Originally Posted by RichardG (Post 8455749)

On the live feed last night John said to Tiffany in the bathroom "I've already won because I'm getting paid. I don't care about actually being crowned the winner" yet on the highlights tonight they cut out his reason and just moved onto the next scene right after he said that he's already won.

I don't like John at all and definitely don't support him BUT I thought that was some really sneaky editing by BB and it does make me wonder which other house events we've been fed an incorrect picture of thanks to the lack of live feed. He got a bunch of hate on twitter tonight for that comment from people who thought he meant that he'd already won the show itself. As someone else said in a different thread, they might as well have given him a cat to stroke and a spinny chair because they made him look like some kind of evil genius. :laugh:

Originally Posted by erinp5 (Post 8455814)

He means he has got the cash to look after his mother , that's why he done the show .I am not his biggest fan but that what I took from that convo.

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 8456396)

I think John was extremely lucky in the edit.

They could have shown him repeatedly saying to Tiff (live feed Friday night) that he would 'never humiliate a young girl like that' when she asked him about knickergate. It wasn't clear at the time what Tiff was on about or what John was denying and only became obvious on Saturday's highlights.

Clearly he was trying to 'humiliate a young girl like that' because he was shown stopping Christopher from turning them over and then went on to say that the person should be named and shamed.

Originally Posted by Princess Pixie (Post 8456387)

you are absolutely right. He is a winner. It is strange but unfortunately true, that a lot of people equate winning with being crowned "The Winner", when in reality it is about being a decent person. No matter what GC or TP may say John is most definitely a better person than either of them. His behaviour during the whole "Davids' dead" debacle was not intimidation or puppet mastering, he was the only one capable of expressing what most (if they are honest) of the housemates were thinking at that time, that TP was a loose cannon, as her behaviour at the time showed. She had clearly lost the plot over Angie's news, but at NO POINT did Angie say to TP "David Gest is Dead" which is what TP kept saying to housemates. Angie said "Davids dead" the fact that TP took that to be DG was her own fault, and shows that she is volatile, but to say that Angie said "David Gest is dead" was a lie, plain and simple. John being older, and dare i say it WITH MORE INTELLIGENCE could see through TP and clearly was concerned not only for her but for the fellow housemates, lets face it, her language, behaviour and ranting dont actually tend to show a stable minded logical reasonable woman. I think she showed all of us viewing public last night her true self, when she declared she would "open my arms, my mouth and my legs" to "comfort" Scotty T! John has undoubtably proved himself to be a winner, and lets remember its for his Mum, not him, thats the mark of a truly unselfish person. I truly hope that BB makes GC do a horrid task to keep her immunity, so that she walks, she has proved to be a vile piece of work, and as someone said her "career" will hopefully head South.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8456409)

Great post,Nothing else needs to be said regarding John,he's not perfect,but he's a darn sight better person than the majority in there.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8456406)

I KNEW I'd picked up a lie from John somewhere in that convo but couldn't remember what it was specifically. I thought it was about who put the knickers on the table originally (which didn't really matter anyway.) It was still nagging at me that he HAD lied about something....Thanks Mr. Wong!

How anyone is still saying how nice John is beats me.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8456409)

Great post,Nothing else needs to be said regarding John,he's not perfect,but he's a darn sight better person than the majority in there.

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 8456433)

Actually he's a bitch because he did try to 'humiliate a young girl'.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8456437)

Oh,perhaps he should just have just called her a "Fat ****" and fawned all over the women eh?and offered to open his legs for Scottie, now THAT's entertainment.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8456437)

Oh,perhaps he should just have just called her a "Fat ****" and fawned all over the women eh?and offered to open his legs for Scottie, now THAT's entertainment.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8456437)

Oh,perhaps he should just have just called her a "Fat ****" and fawned all over the women eh?and offered to open his legs for Scottie, now THAT's entertainment.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8456450)

Well for me the whole thing should only reflect badly on Steph,they were in to be washed with others effects too likely.
She should have made sure she washed them herself,not in anyway justify leaving them for probably days.

Absolutely unbelievable that Jeremy went to do them for her, even worse was she originally said they were not hers too.

The best way to ensure you are not embarrassed about something is to ensure you cannot be and the simple act of washing them right away,raher than leave them anywhere,would have made any embarrassment to her impossible.

The guys, all 3 of them, did not know who they belonged so how any of them and particularly John, get a bad reading on this is beyond me totally.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8456450)

Well for me the whole thing should only reflect badly on Steph,they were in to be washed with others effects too likely.
She should have made sure she washed them herself,not in anyway justify leaving them for probably days.

Absolutely unbelievable that Jeremy went to do them for her, even worse was she originally said they were not hers too.

The best way to ensure you are not embarrassed about something is to ensure you cannot be and the simple act of washing them right away,raher than leave them anywhere,would have made any embarrassment to her impossible.

The guys, all 3 of them, did not know who they belonged so how any of them and particularly John, get a bad reading on this is beyond me totally.

Originally Posted by Suze (Post 8456454)

It's always going to be John's fault though, Joey :joker:

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 8456460)

John stopped Christopher from covering them up and then decided that the person who owned the knickers should be named and shamed, that's how.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8456470)

I know, Christopher was screaming his head off after they found them too,Darren wasn't saying just leave them and forget about them either.
It was right they wanted to find who they belonged to, they could have even been a health hazard for all anyone knew.

Only one person to blame for that and that is Steph and she got what was well and truly due to her, sorry but that's my view.

I am trying to think what Steph and the other women would have done had they been one of Johns, Christophers or Darrens effects found badly soiled and just dumped for days too.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8456499)

In your head maybe,they were ALL as bad,and John was clearly joking as they didn't even know whos they were,he said nothing else after,it was the girls who kept on about it and said "I bet they are Stephs",the lads were just being dicks,the THREE lads that is.one thing is for sure thought they KNEW they weren't Gemmas:laugh:

Originally Posted by RichardG (Post 8456394)

I always heard people talking about how a housemate could be badly edited and I was always of the opinion that that was silly because they can only show what the housemates themselves said, so I was a bit surprised last night when I saw that actually no the edit genuinely can completely change the meaning of what someone is saying. :laugh:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 8456294)

John meant he had already won over her in the argument was my take on it ,and he's right, he did

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8456437)

Oh,perhaps he should just have just called her a "Fat ****" and fawned all over the women eh?and offered to open his legs for Scottie, now THAT's entertainment.

Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 8456707)

No Chuff... Tiff said to him "you want to win and be the last to leave"..he denied it and then said "I've won already".
It's the sort of thing any arrogant loser would say. He knows he won't win...but he will convince himself that he is a winner anyway, for whatever reason.

Originally Posted by Suze (Post 8456403)

John's right, he has already won, because he's done what he came there for, for money for his Mum's care. So in that respect he has won.