I suppose it's all subjective in the end.What makes good viewing for one person does'nt for another.Yeah Gemma causes some **** in the house but then i find her obnoxious at the same time which overides the entertainment factor for me.Wheras Tiffany i also find entertaining but quite likeable at the same time.So two positives for her.

Agreed 100%

We do need the Gemmas, Perez's, Helens, etc to make each series actually dramatic.

That doesnt mean we have to like them or actually justify their dick like behaviour. **** yes I want daniella and the bore snore crew out before her but I dont like her and never will and anyone who justifies her nonsense and makes excuses for her frankly needs to remove their head from their own ass.

I think thats the issue, fine find her hilarious and great tv but what we see a lot of her fans do is try to make out shes some saint, which clearly she isnt.

But drama in and of itself isn't entertaining, and a dramatic series isn't automatically anonymous with a good series. I found both BB15 and CBB15 to be absolutely dreadful, largely due to Helen and Perez's contributions.

As someone who liked Helen (I know so shoot me) and tolerated Perez I cant very well completely hang GC out to dry I just dont think she has an ounce of Perez's slightly off the wall 'what planet is he from' weirdness or Helens amusing turn of phrase and wit in arguments.

I find her peggy mitchell mockney shtick very wearing and dull

I mean, that's one way to interpret her character I guess?

I appreciate she is BB marmite and thats why I tentatively say its fine to keep GC in but I would never defend some of Helens behaviour, as much I thought she made that series I wouldnt go near her with a barge pole in real life.

I can aee where you are going Jack, but the thing is that I am not entertained by someone with no talent acting like a diva and being selfish. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just an occasional thing, but the programme is all about her.
It's easy to say, well the others are too quiet or dull, but they never really get a chance to shine when the producers concentrate on one housemate.