Compared to, say, Eagles of Death Metal who've never had a UK top 40 single and Amy Winehouse, who's been dead for five years?

but grime has hit mainstream the past year, that's exactly the point because it's still going unrecognised in favour of people with guitars who make for perfect BBC Radio 1 fodder.

Has it? All I can think of is Stormyz who didn't even perform well in the charts.

lmao :joker:

What do you want them to do? That song has reached #1 but it's their only song to chart this year but we best include them because of their skin colour so people don't go mad and forget about that one who has had 3 top tens and a hit album

Well yes he did because he got to #8 in the week of the Christmas number one race

Eagles of Death Metal was a stupid decision because of what happened and Amy Winehouse had a film about her and I'm sure a #1 album

unlike James Bay who didn't have a top fourty single last year :think:

#8 for 1 week then dropped massively the next :umm2:

The only Grime Music that will ever get recognised by The Grammys are the more Popped up songs, hence why out of the Indie/Folk genre James Bay and Ed Sheeran have been so successful because they're essentially Pop Music with a fusion of Indie/Folk.

He had a hit album

Wow! they sound great on paper.:amazed:

which opinion are you going with? that nominees for the brits are nominated on success or talent, because your views are kinda conflicting

You need both and clearly his fans think he is talented

Actually the week afterwards he stayed at #9 and is still in the top 40 to this day (two months later) but sure, make completely unsubstantiated claims to further your completely unsubstantiated argument

I doubt that the public judge on talent when you've got Zayn Malik, Justin Bieber, and Shawn Mendes dominating the UK Charts.

completely irrelevant lmao yeah I think we're done here

I don't listen to radio 1, I do scan the top 40 on Spotify though and as I mentioned I can only recall Stormyz and didn't it not even scrape the top 10?

I'm not trying to be difficult here but why should artists be excluded from nominee short lists in favour of less successful acts just to add diversity?

Go to any high street in the UK, pick up a rock and throw it and you'll hit a busker that is as good or better than him. He's just a busker with a record contract and he isn't worthy of any accolades when he's basically an Aldi brand version of Ed Sheeran and we don't need him, never mind his bargain bin clones.

Say what you will about Lily but her music is certainly more memorable and interesting. James Bay is just a one hit wonder who's only gotten as far as he has because the public seem to be obsessed with boring af white guys with guitars and no sense of individuality and a uniform approach to music.

Urghhh do we really have to argue? is it too much to ask we just have a conversation with no petty sarcasm?

He is something that's very rare in British music and that's song writers.

Most of the trash who make the charts these days wouldn't even know how to write a letter let alone a song

If it means not acknowledging the likes of 'Skepta' and 'Stormzy' as musical excellence then I am quite happy to go along with them if they're being called racist tbh.

But yes her drags are excellent and deserved. What is he.

I'm glad Flashlight has a nomination though!

Were the following posts not your first two posts in this thread? The first one was to get a reaction out of me and then your second post was meant to get a reaction out of Jake. I wouldn't really accuse anyone of something you're guilty of doing yourself.

quote me where I said he doesn't deserve to be nominated.