Obviously I meant ROI fans :fist:


And Shaun, dw we're well used to losing, that's probably why we're so laid back :laugh:


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Its a deep rooted problem unique to english culture. anyone who has ever been to the med or around europe on holiday will testify to the appalling behaviour of gangs of englishmen....it simply doesnt happen with our nationalities, the scots welsh and irish simply sing together, the rest keep themselves to themselves. its bizarre , is it something to do with the fall of empire or what?

Please. Because those Old Firm games are so peaceful and friendly. And the likes of Cardiff and Wrexham don't have any violence amongst their fans at all.

I remember in the 2012 Euros seeing England and Sweden fans singing Wonderwall together a few hours before we played them. Yes there's been big problems with hooliganism in English football in the last thirty years but its nowhere near as bad now as it used to be. These days you will get much worse violence in Eastern Europe and even in places like Italy I would say its worse. And to argue that its a much worse problem in England than the other home nations is bollocks. Its just because we are a bigger nation with a more successful domestic league and a more successful national team that it has always been a bigger issue.

That's just yet more evidence of their crimes: Everyone knows that Oasis wrote the soundtrack to English hooliganism. They go together like rama-lamma-lamma-ka-dinga-da-dinga-dong.

In all seriousness MTVN: The English have a bad reputation abroad completely outwith football... are we really rewriting all of this because of a bit of butthurt? :joker:

its the truth but you cant handle the truth you are an apologist of english football hooligans. england should be kicked out with russia , theyve both had a final warning from eufa

Brits have a bad reputation. Its always convenient for the plucky Scots and Welsh to make out that they're distinct from the drunken English idiots and not associated with it but its rubbish really. I'm afraid you as Scotsman are just as implicated as I am. If people think its more of an English problem again I would say thats because of England being a bigger nation and because of how a lot of people wrongly conflate the UK with England.

Nonsense, I would say this more applies to you

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attach...lethetruth.jpg

Globally maybe, within Europe (and actually France, especially) there is a definite distinction, to the extent that French people will express feeling sorry for the Scots, being "stuck with the English". I'm genuinely not saying it to be offensive... my wife is English :shrug:... I just prefer accuracy and am not inclined to shy away from it for fear of hurting feelybobbers.

It's a sad state of affairs I was hoping that foozebal would help heal the cracks in the EU and the wider world, it's not going to happen is it? :(

I saw what Rangers fans did to Manchester in 2008 ..... There are hooligans from all nations

they are seperate thank goodness. in europe you have to have a scottish or welsh flag to get treated with respect, theres infinitely more hate for the english because of how so many idiotic english men behave

way more from england

Just jealous because England have the best football hooligans in the World, always have had.

We know how to muck in when it comes to a scrap.

Well this stuff is always anecdotal so I'm not sure how accurate it is really. I've never felt prejudiced against around Europe for being English or that I'm missing out on a lot of pally moments with the French. Might sound butthurt but it does often feel like the other home nations see themselves as a more enlightened breed and take solace in being distanced from the knuckle-dragging English when really we're not that different at all. Its not like Scotland and Wales are immune from the things that have caused our bad reputation abroad. Scotland in particular has plenty of its own problems with alcohol, football hooliganism and sectarianism.

They get a pat on the head because a Welsh or Scottish flag is only seen at the Euros about once every twenty years

Even at the time when hooligans were the norm in football, there was never any problems between Scottish fans and the country they were playing against. It has nothing to do with how often they attend, its a simple fact that people don't see Scottish people as a violent threat, they do see English fans as a threat, and not without reason either.

But Ireland still have the best fans in the world:hee:


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There's always been problems with violence in Scottish domestic football though. I'm not arguing that English football has never had a big problem with hooliganism - that would obviously be stupid. The problems with English football violence are very well known and documented. But its not like 'Welsh fans are awesome, English fans lots of bigots' is a resonable point from which to start this discussion.

I don't profess to know a lot about football but coming from Leeds our fans don't have the best rep as far as I know and the Leeds model of fan is replicated across England, can the same be said of Welsh cities?

Don't talk rhubarb.:tongue:

I didnt say that so youre misreprenting my words in a rather dishonest way, pretty much the straw mans argument....the majority of wesh national football fans are great and you rarely if ever get problems, the problems of viokence and hooliganism is massively worse within english supporters. the welsh had 24000 and as usual no problems at all. overaall and in general they are better behaved fans less prone to hooliganism. the english and russians should be kicked out

That's literally the title of your thread (albeit without the question mark)

96% of known and convicted english hooligans who were asked to hand in passports prior to the tournament did


0% of Russians did


I doubt any English firms are actually there, iv seen none. Just pissed up lads throwing the odd chair in retaliation

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2016/06/1...ns-keep-it-up/

no its not. english fans have lots of yobs. just a fact.