I'm not supporting Andy anymore. Jason was there for him when no one else was. Funny how he has forgotten that now that Jason is the one who is feeling isolated. So I'm all for Jason. If he goes I'm not voting. Not keen on the others and Hughie is especially a massive disappointment.

Andy has cried once and he has NEVER moped around. He has never excluded HIMSELF. He was there for Jason when the whole house turned on him, he had spend all day trying to gee him up and god forbid he enjoy a party and let his hair down just because Jason is being a misery guts. But I guess it's time to turn on Andy to take the bad look off Jason.

Disagree...
Andy has moped around, a lot. He has excluded himself. He sat in the DR moaning about the situation. He sat around for days talking about other HM's and how they dont understand him to Jason.
Jason is moping, i never said he wasnt :conf:
I never said Andy couldnt enjoy a party either :conf:

To be fair at the time he was being ostracized from most of house for a long long time...that has to be uncomfy and not a nice place to live in... and now finally he is free to be himself relax and have fun without everything he does and says being brought up by the house...

Yes he was, as i said earlier :)

It's funny we watch the same programme and see different things. I have never seen Andy moping around. I have seen him talking about his situation. Two different things. He picks himself up very quickly. He has always kept his sense of humour and didn't let the others bring him down.
He has never excluded himself either. Even when he was being excluded by some there were others he interacted with and sat with. He has always been the same to me.
....And I agree, you didn't say he couldn't enjoy the party. :wavey:

Its no problem to have different take's on things :wavey:

There was just a couple of things that made me waver about him. Hope i am wrong as i like Andy.

Didn't stop him bitching in the diary room about Jason's accent.

Andy...go do that to his face you untermensch.

Maybe you missed when they were choosing who to give immunity to between Andy and Jayne Jason didn't say anything when they were all going for Jayne. It was Jackson who jumped in and gave a very strong case for Andy. Jason said nought.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt because Jason might have said something that wasn't shown, just as Andy could have gone into the garden and spoke to Jason during the party and it wasn't shown.
But if edits aren't taken into account, then Jason wasn't there for Andy for immunity. It works both ways.

No way I can support Andy now ,I hate sneaks and backstabbers

Nail. Head. Hammered.

I thought Jason had explained all about that to Andy?

If he wins, I can imagine what he'd be thinking.

"God. I'm so intelligent. I pulled the wool over the whole nations eyes. I am simply amazing. Invincible. Jesus, my intellect is a force of nature. I mean, damn that Hawkins mong in the wheelchair is smart but I,... I am all knowing all seeing. Did I create the universe but my intelligence held the memory from me in order to keep me humble amongst mortals?"

No you just outwitted a few fame seeking lunatics with the IQ of a tetley tea bag (used).

I don't know what you mean Ellen. :conf:

:laugh::laugh::laugh: :clap1::clap1::clap1:

I could be wrong but i thought Jason and Andy had a convo about the immune vote?

I agree. It could also be that since Lateysha and Ryan left he's been more relaxed.

Me too :fist:

i think Andy did what he could for Jason and knew he could do no more, that J had to work it out for himself.

the biggest difference in their situations, as i see it anyway, is that Andy was ostracised by the group and J was there for him - andy talks it out, whereas Jason is choosing to ostracise himself whilst he tries to figure out what he's done. he's a man of great integrity, and he's beating himself up trying to see what he has done 'wrong' so he can face up to it and correct it. he's so wrapped up in that process Andy can't help and has given him his space.

i don't see that he was bitching about J's accent - he was making his own observations about the brighton accent and how it sits in his own head. besides, most of us have had friends we really like but whose voice, when complaining or down, we can find irritating. that doesn't make A a Brutus anymore than it makes J a bumbling moron.

they did :)

:joker: I can imagine Andy saying this in the DR and it being taken deadly seriously. You just don't get him, do you? :joker:

Could you give me the gist of it Jan?

True

i've been waiting for the haters to slate him over his ''egotisitcal'' comments about his body compared to alex's :D

i think it's where jason was telling andy that if he'd had any sense he'd not have voted to give andy immunity since he saw andy as more of a threat to his own chances of surviving in the house than jayne, but then he decided it didn't matter and he went with his heart over his head even if it meant he'd just shot himself in the foot. basically :D wanted to do what felt right rather than what was in his own best interest.

Also true

Andy is playing the game now.Getting in with the group while poor old Jason gets left hung out to dry