Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930167)

Yeah I think Marc had more of a 'mean streak' than Bear, none of Bear's behaviour towards anyone has actually been anything beyond a joke. Ricky however is seen as the 'nice guy' yet says "good" when Bear cries. I think we can see who the real villain is here. :think:

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 8930176)

Ricky and Bear now get on well. They often play together late at night in the garden. But the show wants then to portray them as enemies.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930164)

I don't blame Lillie, I blame the producers for this mess of a situation. I just don't understand why everybody is acting like Lillie is the greatest thing to grace the earth when nobody even knows the girl. Hell she could have cheated on him, nobody knows. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 8930117)

Oh no, but it is a record achievement. Don't you know that surviving a double eviction is counted as 2????

Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 8930202)

So basically you blame everyone but the man who stuck his dick into another woman while in a relationship. :laugh::facepalm:

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930337)

I don't agree with what Bear did (getting it on with Chloe (I don't think they had sex though)), but I think what he has done has been escalated to an extent that shouldn't have been reached by the show itself. What he does in the house has little relevance to his personal life outside of it imo.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930167)

Yeah I think Marc had more of a 'mean streak' than Bear, none of Bear's behaviour towards anyone has actually been anything beyond a joke. Ricky however is seen as the 'nice guy' yet says "good" when Bear cries. I think we can see who the real villain is here. :think:

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930337)

I don't agree with what Bear did (getting it on with Chloe (I don't think they had sex though)), but I think what he has done has been escalated to an extent that shouldn't have been reached by the show itself. What he does in the house has little relevance to his personal life outside of it imo.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930167)

Yeah I think Marc had more of a 'mean streak' than Bear, none of Bear's behaviour towards anyone has actually been anything beyond a joke. Ricky however is seen as the 'nice guy' yet says "good" when Bear cries. I think we can see who the real villain is here. :think:

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930164)

I just don't understand why everybody is acting like Lillie is the greatest thing to grace the earth

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930164)

Hell she could have cheated on him, nobody knows. :shrug:

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930167)

Yeah I think Marc had more of a 'mean streak' than Bear, none of Bear's behaviour towards anyone has actually been anything beyond a joke. Ricky however is seen as the 'nice guy' yet says "good" when Bear cries. I think we can see who the real villain is here. :think:

Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 8930359)

So again it's everyone's fault but his? Sorry I can't fathom how him making the choice to cheat on a girl he had introduced to his family and made commitments to is anyone's fault but his own.

Originally Posted by hot2go (Post 8930362)

I agree with you ... On every point you've made.... I suppose it all depends on what people consider a villain ... I think Bear is genuine and no where near as hard faced as any of the remaining housemates.
I dislike passive aggressive people so for me Bear, with his Up Yours attitude to the game, is more my type of person.

Originally Posted by power2thepeople (Post 8930376)

So if we go down this route, BB should have kept a lid on Biggins comments and not evicted him to the obvious career ****storm?

Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 8930389)

So goading people to the point of tears is your idea of a joke??

Originally Posted by alex_front2 (Post 8930553)

He could do a Pyrex in get a shock eviction prior to final, however Bear is definitely a front runner. He will inherit some of Lewis votes (so will Marnie) and even James's.
He gets most air time which often helps in VTS. HE'S got casual viewers backing him, women and teen girls who vote fancy him, and he has a strong social media fandom in a way Sam Fox and Renee doesn't.

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8930591)

Nobody is.

Well precisely. People are judging Bear for something he 100% did do. Why should people overlook that on the basis of "Well she might have too!" when we've no indication of anything of the sort? Just reeks of yet more trying to absolve Bear of the blame for his own actions by putting the girl he cheated on under scrutiny instead.

Couldn't disagree more with that, I see way more malice and cruel intent in Bear than I ever did in Marc.

And Bear is still the villain. If I'd been stuck with someone as utterly spiteful as him who'd taken so much glee in upsetting others for over 3 weeks I'd be glad to see him get a taste of his own medicine too.

I honestly find it odd that people can defend Bear constantly and say he's doing nothing wrong but vilify another for something much lesser (and much more justified) just because it's aimed at Bear instead.

We've reached the point where Bear can't possibly do anything wrong but everything anyone else (who is anti-Bear of course) does is terrible.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930634)

Bear is only the 'villain' because the majority of people don't speak for more than two sentences at a time and because he's willing to actually create some fun and do something a little daring and exciting rather than act as though he's interested in hearing about how great Sam thinks she and the UK apparently do for the 72638th time. Some of the goings on I've seen in that house have been much more 'evil' than dropping some eggs on the floor for absolute sure.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930634)

I already previously said that I didn't agree with his actions, but it's also not something that is going to sway my opinion of him at all, however it will for many people which is a shame that his personal life is getting brought into and over his housemate status. The show is only to blame for that.


For sure, I've heard/seen Ricky, Renee, Aubrey, Marnie and even Frankie (on BBUSA) say/do a lot worse things than Bear ever has. Bear is totally my type of person too - to watch on a tv show or be friends with irl.


No? What relevance does Chris' comment have to this conversation? :conf:


If we're talking about Renee, well the woman cries at everything. She cries when she's mad, when she tries to make it up with Bear, when she's talking about her past, when she receives a letter off her son, when she shouts and is 'mean' to someone... The list goes on. It's not really Bear's problem if she can't handle herself.


I would really like it if at some point every female who votes for a male wasn't placed into the 'fancies him' category. Some people out there genuinely like him for who he is rather than for shallow reasons yknow.


Judge him all you like for what he did - it's completely valid and I'm sure even he would say the same. All I was saying was that it's not something that I feel should have been highlighted by the show itself rather than by own actions because I think it's highly unfair, especially when everyone else is getting positive things and he gets ****.

Bear is only the 'villain' because the majority of people don't speak for more than two sentences at a time and because he's willing to actually create some fun and do something a little daring and exciting rather than act as though he's interested in hearing about how great Sam thinks she and the UK apparently do for the 72638th time. Some of the goings on I've seen in that house have been much more 'evil' than dropping some eggs on the floor for absolute sure.

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8930650)

"Fun" being a euphemism for making things difficult for others? It's a shame his idea of fun isn't a little more good-natured and inclusive.

And I'd say there's been one event that's rivalled Bear and his twat pack cronies for awfulness and that's Aubrey spitting in his food (which was indeed horrid). I can't recall anything any of those labelled "bores" have done that's been so bad (and according to Bear supporters, they never do anything anyway so they can't have done anything drastically terrible).

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930670)

As Katie Hopkins says you only choose to take offense to others' actions. I think it's a shame the majority didn't give him some back and played the game alongside him, but instead he got the reaction he wanted and that's why he continues doing it.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 8930670)

That is one event that is much worse, another few I would say are Renee's name-calling of Bear (lowlife etc etc, the list goes on, really nasty adjectives when he's never outright insulted her), Ricky's "good" on Bear's genuine upset, Heavy D's aggression towards Lewis and vice versa, Marnie shoving her **** in Saira's face. That's just without even thinking too hard.

Originally Posted by hot2go (Post 8930754)

Nothing Bear has done in the house has been threatening towards other housemates and his personal life outside of the house has no bearing on my assessment of him.
I couldn't care less about his private life, especially his five minute relationship with a fellow fame wannabe who works for the same agency as him.
Of all the bad or embarrassing things connected to the other housemates I find Bears girlfriend situation one of the least offensive.

He's being used as the poster boy for house full of dodgy poeple. Big Brother have no right to single him out and pick on him. BB are doing the same thing they reprimanded Lewis for when he and Marnie did it to Heavy.

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 8930767)

Yes, but I wonder if they're trying to get him the sympathy vote. They did the same with Jason and he won the show.

Originally Posted by hot2go (Post 8930780)

Well maybe, I hope not cause I don't think that's how he bounces along himself and IMO he doesn't need it, he's been great the way he's played it.
But BB and a lot of people on here wholly disagreed when Heavy was isolated from the group and picked on YET it's being not only seen as OK to do that to Bear but people are actually celebrating it....so much hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by hot2go (Post 8930780)

But BB and a lot of people on here wholly disagreed when Heavy was isolated from the group and picked on YET it's being not only seen as OK to do that to Bear but people are actually celebrating it....so much hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8930695)

That's really such a weak cop out just used by people who want carte blanche to be able to act as badly as they wish but not take responsibility for the effects.

I actually agree about the Marnie, Lewis and Heavy stuff being as bad (though Bear was also involved in the Marnie one let's not forget), I assumed you were talking about the quieter housemates.

Speaking of, I don't see how you can defend Bear intentionally upsetting people and then criticise Ricky for being glad he's now receiving some upset of his own. If you think Ricky is worse simply because of this then that just further proves my point that you're holding Bear and the ones you don't like to different standards.

And I'm not a huge Renee supporter (and the bisexual comment would have been a better example to use tbh) but for me, Bear's actions towards the house have been worse than her words towards him.

Originally Posted by hot2go (Post 8930754)

Nothing Bear has done in the house has been threatening towards other housemates and his personal life outside of the house has no bearing on my assessment of him.
I couldn't care less about his private life, especially his five minute relationship with a fellow fame wannabe who works for the same agency as him.
Of all the bad or embarrassing things connected to the other housemates I find Bears girlfriend situation one of the least offensive.

He's being used as the poster boy for house full of dodgy poeple. Big Brother have no right to single him out and pick on him. BB are doing the same thing they reprimanded Lewis for when he and Marnie did it to Heavy.