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Crimson Dynamo 30-11-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9079594)
Youve missed something. They built a new building with an exclusively male, an exclusively female and a mixed sex bathroom for the children of the school to choose from. It was done because its 2016 and they're a progressive school that cater to all gender identities.

wow, what a waste of money :shocked:

Brillopad 30-11-2016 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9079597)
wow, what a waste of money :shocked:

In these times of little/no public funding. Could think of better things it could have been spent on. :shrug:

Jamie89 30-11-2016 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9079543)
That is trying to force your opinion on to others. Common sense dictates some potential problems as people are far from perfect, including kids.

What problems though? I'm yet to hear what the actual issue is or what people think would happen if unisex toilets were the norm? Just that there might be 'problems'. Common sense would also say to look at existing examples of it, and where I've experienced unisex toilets there hasn't been any issues that I'm aware of.
Is the problem that the boys might peek on the girls? Have a floor to ceiling walled cubicle :shrug: or give them detention to teach them not to be little pervs, and there might be fewer adult pervs in the future

Crimson Dynamo 30-11-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9079611)
What problems though? I'm yet to hear what the actual issue is or what people think would happen if unisex toilets were the norm? Just that there might be 'problems'. Common sense would also say to look at existing examples of it, and where I've experienced unisex toilets there hasn't been any issues that I'm aware of.
Is the problem that the boys might peek on the girls? Have a floor to ceiling walled cubicle :shrug: or give them detention to teach them not to be little pervs, and there might be fewer adult pervs in the future

I guess if it saves space then grand but you cant have boys girls and unisex as that makes no sense (as well as disabled). But for a boy its easier to just go in piss in a urinal and walk out - its much more bother to go into a stall and lock the door etc, i expect most boys would just piss with the door open and then the girls would be like ew?

Withano 30-11-2016 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9079597)
wow, what a waste of money :shocked:

Its a £12m building. Its gonna have more than 3 bathrooms so it makes complete sense to have at least one for those who may not identify as entirely male or entirely female.

Jamie89 30-11-2016 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9079619)
I guess if it saves space then grand but you cant have boys girls and unisex as that makes no sense (as well as disabled). But for a boy its easier to just go in piss in a urinal and walk out - its much more bother to go into a stall and lock the door etc, i expect most boys would just piss with the door open and then the girls would be like ew?

It's not that much more bother, and I don't necessarily think that would happen, if they're given rules surrounding it I don't see any reason why they wouldn't follow them. It's like anything, I mean if urinals didn't exist and they were being proposed now you'd probably get some people outraged because "omg what if they **** in them as well", or "what about the gay ones having a peek" :omgno: but we accept urinals as fine because we have 'rules' for them that boys learn early on, so the same could easily become true for unisex toilets. I think we just assume the worst sometimes and don't give people enough credit for being able to learn a new way of doing something. It's just pissing and ****ing at the end of the day [emoji23] it's easy enough to close a door and it shouldn't really matter who's in the next cubicle so it doesn't make any sense to me why it has to be gendered.

Crimson Dynamo 30-11-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9079631)
It's not that much more bother, and I don't necessarily think that would happen, if they're given rules surrounding it I don't see any reason why they wouldn't follow them. It's like anything, I mean if urinals didn't exist and they were being proposed now you'd probably get some people outraged because "omg what if they **** in them as well", or "what about the gay ones having a peek" :omgno: but we accept urinals as fine because we have 'rules' for them that boys learn early on, so the same could easily become true for unisex toilets. I think we just assume the worst sometimes and don't give people enough credit for being able to learn a new way of doing something. It's just pissing and ****ing at the end of the day [emoji23] it's easy enough to close a door and it shouldn't really matter who's in the next cubicle so it doesn't make any sense to me why it has to be gendered.

yes but you cant have them and boys and girls ones surely

You just have unisex? (disabled ones are unisex as it goes)

Withano 30-11-2016 05:29 PM

At the end of it all, people are mad because children have more than one option and to me that is illogical. But I do think they will become increasingly common everywhere, so buckle up.

Jamie89 30-11-2016 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9079635)
yes but you cant have them and boys and girls ones surely

You just have unisex? (disabled ones are unisex as it goes)

Maybe they have them as well as boys and girls because it's transitional? Or to please the complaining parents? But they want to bring unisex ones in anyway because it's a step forward? I don't know, I'm not sure what their reasons are for that I just think the unisex ones are a good idea.

Brillopad 30-11-2016 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9079628)
Its a £12m building. Its gonna have more than 3 bathrooms so it makes complete sense to have at least one for those who may not identify as entirely male or entirely female.

I do take issue with that. What exactly do you mean by 'those that do not identify as entirely male or female' - does that mean they would use either depending on their mood, surely you have to identify with either one or the other. Sounds like having their cake and eat it to me.

Withano 30-11-2016 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9079643)
I do take issue with that. What exactly do you mean by 'those that do not identify as entirely male or female' - does that mean they would use either depending on their mood, surely you have to identify with either one or the other. Sounds like having their cake and eat it to me.

Lol what. I mean bigender, agender, transgender, non-binary etc... it isn't just blue for boy, pink for girl. Theres a lot inbetween and a lot not on the scale who may have otherwise been forced to pick a side. (It isn't mood dependent, obviously)

Crimson Dynamo 30-11-2016 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9079652)
Lol what. I mean bigender, agender, transgender, non-binary etc... it isn't just blue for boy, pink for girl. Theres a lot inbetween and a lot not on the scale who may have otherwise been forced to pick a side. (It isn't mood dependent, obviously)

And what percentage are we talking here 0.3% of pupils ?

in adulthood I heard on lbc the percentage is less than 1% so for kids who are just going thru puberty etc its just mental to try and guess, no?

Crimson Dynamo 30-11-2016 05:56 PM

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/i...-gender-fluid/

It’s dangerous and wrong to tell all children they’re ‘gender fluid’

http://cdn.spectator.co.uk/content/u...6/01/Dress.jpg

Brillopad 30-11-2016 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9079652)
Lol what. I mean bigender, agender, transgender, non-binary etc... it isn't just blue for boy, pink for girl. Theres a lot inbetween and a lot not on the scale who may have otherwise been forced to pick a side. (It isn't mood dependent, obviously)

I don't know about that, but I do know that no one has the right to force girls to share toilets with boys and be made to feel uncomfortable. Boys peeking on girls may not bother you, but it would bother many girls. I can understand how many parents would feel concerned about that.

user104658 30-11-2016 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9079597)
wow, what a waste of money :shocked:

I doubt it even costs much more though? How much does a partition wall cost? They probably didn't install more plumbing / toilets / sinks... Just divided them between three rooms instead of two :shrug:

Crimson Dynamo 30-11-2016 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9079680)
I doubt it even costs much more though? How much does a partition wall cost? They probably didn't install more plumbing / toilets / sinks... Just divided them between three rooms instead of two :shrug:

its irrelevant

withano said the magic word "binary" and as such the thread is now dead

RIP

:)

Withano 30-11-2016 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9079660)
I don't know about that, but I do know that no one has the right to force girls to share toilets with boys and be made to feel uncomfortable. Boys peeking on girls may not bother you, but it would bother many girls. I can understand how many parents would feel concerned about that.

What bothers you is completely irrelevant to the story, why do you keep bringing it up. Girls arent being forced to share a bathroom with boys or vice versa.

user104658 30-11-2016 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9079660)
I don't know about that, but I do know that no one has the right to force girls to share toilets with boys and be made to feel uncomfortable. Boys peeking on girls may not bother you, but it would bother many girls. I can understand how many parents would feel concerned about that.

I agree with you there but how is it in any way relevant if there IS a girl's bathroom they can choose to use if they don't want to use a unisex one...

Crimson Dynamo 30-11-2016 06:27 PM

good luck teachers...

Johnnyuk123 30-11-2016 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9079657)
And what percentage are we talking here 0.3% of pupils ?

in adulthood I heard on lbc the percentage is less than 1% so for kids who are just going thru puberty etc its just mental to try and guess, no?

Also...People are forgetting how cruel kids can be so any kid using these toilets will be taunted on the playground and the last thing a child needs is to be singled out by their peers.

Withano 30-11-2016 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123 (Post 9079705)
Also...People are forgetting how cruel kids can be so any kid using these toilets will be taunted on the playground and the last thing a child needs is to be singled out by their peers.

Ah cool, your advice for a person stuggling with their gender identity is to keep it hidden because kids are cruel. Thats more rational than teaching kids not to be ***** yeh?

Crimson Dynamo 30-11-2016 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9079711)
Ah cool, your advice for a person stuggling with their gender identity is to keep it hidden because kids are cruel. Thats more rational than teaching kids not to be ***** yeh?

no by all means tell every one because that will work

:umm2:

Brillopad 30-11-2016 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9079702)
I agree with you there but how is it in any way relevant if there IS a girl's bathroom they can choose to use if they don't want to use a unisex one...

I was referring to if one unisex bathroom became the way forward as was suggested by one poster. As long as they can choose, but for how long ...

Jack_ 30-11-2016 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9079658)
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/i...-gender-fluid/

It’s dangerous and wrong to tell all children they’re ‘gender fluid’

http://cdn.spectator.co.uk/content/u...6/01/Dress.jpg

lol what an atrocious article, where do I even begin

Anyway this is a non-story, male and female toilets still exist in this school so the complaining is completely misplaced. I personally believe all toilets should be gender neutral anyway because their use is for pissing and ****ting (and maybe the occasional blowjob if you're that way inclined)...what relevance is it as to who is in the next door cubicle?

I discovered the gender neutral toilets in our uni library by accident about a month ago and they're amazing, just two individual cubicle like rooms with a full length door, toilet, sink and dryer in. Like a disabled toilet but for everyone. Bliss.

Alf 30-11-2016 07:08 PM

On the subject of gender, I saw this great parody, and I thought I'd share



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