I think it's pathetic Jade kept insisting she should wear the sari, even when she was told it was a bad idea. I can't see how she thought this would be a step forward, she's doing more damage as time goes by. Please Jade.. just go.

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I think its probley the usual Danielle Star rubbish again, trying again to break Jade down yet supporting Danielle.

Go up to an Indian woman in the street and call her *******awallah, see if she is offended and/or thinks its racist.

Then go up to any Asian in the street and call them poppodum, see if they think its racist and / or are offended.

Then after you are released from the police station or hospital you can come back on here and tell us how you got on.

Quality post.

You've missed the point!

Read through the whole topic and every post.

It is not about those two words. Fawallah & poppodum

Fukawallah.

Whoops! :hello:

No, you miss the point and again I suspect deliberately.

You suggest asking twenty white men a question to see if you are right.

You deny there was anything racist in what the repulsive harpy did -

So I suggested you put your money where your mouth is, use your heroines words in the street to people of Asian descent and see where that gets you...

Of course you need to change the subject, that is what you are.

In relation to this quote in the Newspaper:-

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But Jade managed to commit yet another toe-curling blunder during her recent PR offensive in India. She told Asiana reporter Gurmej Singh Pawar, 26: “I can now tell my kids that Indian people are not Pakistanis.” (WTF?)
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I suspect that you missed the point we were debating earlier.

It got pretty heated earlier, but it is nice and cool now.

Many passionate views for the girl on everybody's lips.

Jade Goody

Nodis, as you are the king of not sticking to the theme of the thread, why not humor Spacebandit and answer his question rather than saying it is not what you were debating?

No they have given an "opinion", theres plenty of dictionaries available online
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So they all look alike ??, this is not the first overtly racist comment you have made, its meaning is quite clear, even when tarted up in pretend pigeon english.

No wonder you want to defend them, you are just alike.

next you'll be trying to say the pig didn't do any bullying.

Okay, you need an answer?

If you went to an Asian man or woman and said, "F*kawallah or Poppodum" they may get offended?

Some may not.

Jade Goody didn't say those words directly to Shilpa, so that excuses Jade a bit.

The reason I say that, is, it is quite easy to get upset, especially when Jade was told to take elecution lessons and also, told to "Shut Up" a few times.

That wasn't very nice.

Jade has admitted that she said these offensive words and has said sorry to everybody who was offended.

She also said sorry to Shilpa in the house and that was there for us to all see.

I hope that clears that up?

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The original topic was about Jade making a mistake with identity.

That is easy to do and don't get all worked up about that. It is very trivial indeed.
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Regarding your other assumptions about my personal judgements regarding racism.

It is better to keep that to UTU messages.

I would rather stick to the debate on the forum, thanks. :hello:

Whatever - when someone is an apologist for the racist behaviour of someone, and has themselves posted racist comments, it becomes pertinent, as it explains to members presented with post after post ad nauseum of the same old waffle the mindset of the apologist.

the same goes for bullying, online bullying in the form of removing and editing posts to silence contrary opinion in the position of a board moderator, also becomes pertinent, as it explains the motivations of the poster. Especially when that poster floods a board with the same repeated excuses tio "defend" its heroine, then crys foul when they are called what they are.

Like defends like.


I make no assumptions about your personal judgements, I make my assumptions about you based on your own words and deeds.

[/quote]If you went to an Asian man or woman and said, "F*kawallah or Poppodum" they may get offended?

Some may not.

Jade Goody didn't say those words directly to Shilpa, so that excuses Jade a bit.

The reason I say that, is, it is quite easy to get upset, especially when Jade was told to take elecution lessons and also, told to "Shut Up" a few times.

That wasn't very nice.

Jade has admitted that she said these offensive words and has said sorry to everybody who was offended.

She also said sorry to Shilpa in the house and that was there for us to all see.

I hope that clears that up?
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Ok so as long as she didnt say those things directly to Shilpa makes it ok!

She said sorry to Shilpa - oh well I suppose that makes everything ok then :bored:

nodisharmony - are you saying that it's okay to say all manner of nasty things about anybody, as long as it's behind their back? So if people want to make all sorts of nasty comments about you, you're okay with it as long as they don't say it directly to you?

I think that some people will roll out every excuse they can to defend racism or bad behaviour :nono:

I was offended by the remarks that were made by Jade et al but I suppose that doesnt matter, I was also disgusted that she thought that saying sorry would make things go away. Its just a word to some people and unless it is said with genuine remorse is worthless.

Jade Goody did say sorry numorous times.

Jo and Danielle didn't go that far, really!

We also saw Jade go up to Shilpa and explain why she did say the things she did. This was fact, because we all saw it.

Jade did say those two comments,"F*Wallah & Popodom".

Shilpa also, chose to NOT make a complaint. She also did not consider Jade to be a racist person either.

If you are a supporter of Shilpa Shetty, then, you would also trust her judgement completely. If Shilpa's judgement does not tally with your judgement. Then, that is tough!

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Regarding the word, "Racism".
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Some people are completely racist and make that very clear.

Other people, are, part-time-racists. This usually means, that, on the rare occasion, when a white person comes into contact with an ethnic minority or brown or black skin colour and an argument takes place, or a moment of violence.

I won't elaborate on examples.

Then, a comment may come out, in a moment of rage or anger. Much of the time, it was never meant!

But, as many of those types find words or sentances which contain, perhaps "racial-over-tones"? Then, many of those types can get hurt. Claiming that they have experienced racism. When, this happens, the person saying this, gets a moment of self-satisfaction, as they know it has offended that person at that moment in time.

If Jade, Jo & Danielle felt that Shilpa Shetty patronised them, or, looked down at them, then it can be "just", for all of those girls to say what they think of Shilpa.

Naturally, in the Big Brother house, they needed to show restraint! I feel that some of what they said, was over the top.

I also feel that, Jade Goody did more than enough to say sorry and also, gave her entire fees for the show and interviews was very generous, even though, every word, phrase, sentance was not that bad.

Me, I am only racist on Mondays and every 3rd Sunday.

Remember nodis, you are special, not different.

Yes - in a bid to save her career.

Danielle actually did apologise. Jo hasn't, and has come in for some criticism for not doing so.

Yes...I'm sure it's pure coincidence that this conversation took place as soon as jade had been called into the diary room and warned about her behaviour - and I guess it's pure coincidence that she spoke to Shilpa as soon as the penny dropped that she might be perceived as racist.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Just because a complaint is not made, does not mean that the alleged victim does not think that a crime has been committed. Lots of victims of all sorts of crimes don't report the crime, or don't press charges.

I liked Shilpa. I didn't want her to win though. But you know what? Just because you like someone does not mean that you have to agree with everything they say, and does not mean that you should completely trust their judgement. I realise that this may be difficult for you to understand, given that you seem to believe every word that comes out of Jade's mouth, but the fact is - you are allowed to have your own opinions.

So can you clarify something for me please? Are you saying that it's okay to be a part-time racist? Are you really trying to defend that? And - are you saying that Jade is one of these part-time racists? Because, let's be clear about this - there's no such thing as part-time racism. Anyone who would fit your definition of a part-time racist is most definitely a full-time racist.

We all say things in anger, that's true. But if your insults are based on that persons colour or race, then that is racist.

It's fair enough to claim that you have experienced racism, if you actually have experienced racism.

No, no, no. If they had have said that they didn't like Shilpa because she was controlling or patronising, or whatever, that's one thing. Making fun of her name (e.g., Shilpa Poppadom), or using racial insults is absolutely irrelevant to the reason that they are claiming that they don't like her.

That seems like you are contradicting yourself. First of all you say that they had to show restraint, then you say that some of what they said was over the top:puzzled: maybe I've misunderstood what you were trying to say?

Believe that if you want. She only suddenly became remorseful when she was warned that her behaviour could be perceived as being racist. Coincidence?

You are right. Comments come out when tempers fly. The thing is, when most people argue, or say things in a moment of rage, they don't think before they speak, and things that are at the back of their mind do come out.

Racists always come up with excuses to excuse their language. Freedom of speech is the usual one, but saying that some people are part time racists really takes the biscuit.

it has to be the most risible comment you have ever made.



so when you said previously that immigrants come here because they like the "free benefits", they get "free this and free that",

when you say the immigrants have "the law on their side" as opposed to "white english" fighting in Iraq, as opposed to "white families" or as opposed to "english who help old people " [presumably ethnic minorities don't help old people]...where you just being "part time racist" or something else. Seeing how you brought up the explanation of "part time racists" should I take it that this is how you view yourself ?, as I don't see anything part time about you.

I have screen grabs in case you need your memory jogging.

if big brother had of been coloured id say she would have been through out of the house well right enough no one knows what colour the many voices of big brother is

Nodisharmony - you have a very limited view of the world of Jade Goddy. It appears in you eyes she is not able to do any wrong and if she does then its all made better when she rolls out the word sorry!

Part time racist - never heard anything so ridiculous in my whole life! where on earth did that little gem come from. Thats like saying you can be a part time christian or muslim!

I am not a Shilpa fan and just because I choose to defend her over Jade Goody does not make my opinion limited. I very much liked and respected Jade before she went into the house and have in the past defended her. She really made something of herself after BB. Now however she has gone down in my opinion with her terrible behaviour and then her desperate attempts to make things right. All Jade see's is pound signs and how much she can make out of any situation which in this case is extremely sad.

All 3 girls were unwise in the way they behaved and if people would just accept that then rows like this would not continue. It is the blind following of them that people find frustrating and annoying, not the situation.

I suspect, "Dr43%er", that you would class (murder) below (racism)!

I know where your priorities lye.

Believe-you-me, I do watch you....:cloud:

Stop it now please. It's getting a wee bit wierd!