Q&A Ruth vs nodisharmony

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*quote*Well I don't think anybody would disagree with you about it being a bad judgement call. But people do make bad judgement calls all the time.*quote*

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answer:- I know this and when mistakes get made, it can take time for people who can see silly slip-up's like this on CBB Jan. and get to realise this and forgive and forget.

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*quote*NO - it's better to look at the footage available, rather than just make up a scenario that suits what you think.*quote*

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answer:- I have looked very much at the footage that was shown Ruth. It is not so easy to be so sure.

We can only assume that this disagreement came about, by what we actually saw.

Being patronised by someone can be very annoying.

Have I been patronising?

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*quote*How do you know this?*quote*

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answer:- The first thing you need to understand is "motive"

Why would any of these three girls ever be racist people.

We have had a very good look at each of them and over the time, we have learnt quite a bit about each and every one of them.

Jo O'Meara pointed out very clearly that she has friends and more that are of different skin colour and race and it made no difference to her that Shilpa was an Indian woman, when the arguments and offensive remarks came out.

Jade Goody is also very much the same and has met many people in her life, who are very much ethnic, etc..

Danielle Lloyd knows full well that her boyfriend Teddy Sheringham is mixing with all types and she wouldn't want to cause trouble naturally.

Whether Danielle has met and intergrated with people of all types in her life, naturally.

First Ruth, find the motive which makes them fit into the "racists" category which you choose to place them in.

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*quote*As you said yourself on another thread - only Danielle, Jo and Jade know what they are thinking. So you have no basis for your statement.*quote*

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answer:- I know they only know what they are thinking! That is the way it is for everyone.

But how does the CID department in a police station come to their conclusions, if they thought like that.

Getting into someones mind is impossible.

How many liars are out there?

Jade, Jo & Danielle have their own minds and we have some evidence and Endemol have it all.

Like you said Ruth, the CPS couldn't make a case out of this. They only had the shown footage.

A police officer or a detective can get a warrant to search a premisis or even confiscate evidence or possible evidence.

So, you say that this CBB Jan. incident is not that serious?

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*quote*Well yes. Which would suggest that they had something to be upset about.*quote*

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answer:- Footballers got upset with Teddy over Danielle, as the shown footage appeared very bad and Teddy's involvement with Danielle is obviously going to upset some.

This is understandable

Oh Yes! Teddy took her back quick enough!

So maybe it was Danielle's looks that clouded his views?

Or, he told his mates and football friends, that he was going to pay her back by cheating on her and in the meantime, using her as a sex-object??

These are only speculations of course Ruth?

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*quote*In your opinion. But plenty of people think that she went easy on Jade.*quote*

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answer:- Davina McCall has never had to deal with this kind of situation before in Big Brother.

Are you saying that she is an expert at being strict with a housemate?

She might like Jade Goody?

They do actually talk, you know!

Big Brother and Reality shows don't rule any of these housemates world's you know.

Davina McCall does a great job with Big Brother & CBB and I am sick of people saying that she is a corrupt presenter or a puppet who will do anything that she is told to do.

Davina is quite wealthy and quite in demand as a presenter.

If you didn't like her treatment of Jade Goody and you thought she got a good deal, then did you see the Dermot interview?

He wasn't over-harsh either!

Fiona Phillips wasn't so harsh with Jo O'Meara either.

Maybe they saw the unfairity of it all too and the badly edited show, which made it appear much worse.

LISTEN to Davina and try to understand what she says in that article before jumping to conclusions.

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*quote*Davina does what she is told. And if you watch Jade's interview and Jo's interview, you can see that she quite clearly did treat them very differently*quote*

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answer:- I have answered most of that above, however, talking of her harshness of Jo O'Meara.

Perhaps Davina didn't like Jo O'Meara picking on Dirk Benedict, straight after Jade left the house?

Oh yes, they all started on Dirk after Jo left. ALL Ruth, ALL..

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*quote*Don't get me wrong - I thought the way Pete behaved towards Traci was awful. But as you say, there was no question of racism - he didn't make any racist remarks - so the issue wasn't raised.*quote*

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answer:- Exactly Ruth, Exactly. No race was ever raised!

So, that means it is not serious to bully, but to say words or comments which may appear to some as having "racial-over-tones" is a million times worse?

What cobblers.

There is serious injustice here and also, unfairity beyond belief.

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*quote*But the girls in this years CBB did make racist remarks*quote*

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answer:- No, offensive words and comments

as above..ditto

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nodisharmony :angel:

Jesus Christ.

On a bike with bells on

It got so boring here after nodisharmony came :rolleyes:

Care to comment on Davina?

To stop things from getting boring, that is?


nodisharmony :angel:

And you aint boring are you "dis"?

I hope you aren't dissing-dis. We can't have that. No dissing will be allowed. Don't diss the-dis.

Not at all.

Hey BAZG, your getting very lazy!!

nodisharmony :angel:

Not at all, You wanna play?

These threads are going round and round in circles and getting frankly boring. I've got better things to do with my time than argue with someone who blindly refuses to take any notice of anything anyone says.

I would say one thing though about the Pete and Traci situation from last year, because nodisharmony has suggested that I don't think bullying is a serious issue unless racism is involved. That's absolute rubbish. I thought Pete was vile to Traci and more should have said about it. But there was no racism involved. I hope that clears things up.

Now - nodisharmony has managed to single handedly turn this forum where there was once plenty of lively chat and talk about all sorts of different subjects, into somewhere boring and no fun to visit. So, while he's here, I won't be.

Ruth,

The reason that I mentioned the Traci/Pete episode, is, that Davina McCall mentioned it in that interview.

So naturally, as it was on topic, it was a fair conversation to be had.

I agree that "Bullying" is a bad thing to do and I understand what bullying is. Certainly, it is the threat-of-violence which is usually behind the worry-factor.

Somebody worrying about what could follow, beyond that bullying.

I hardly think it is likely that Tracy, or indeed Shilpa expect their agressors to ever use violence? That is certainly NOT the case.

However, I said that the furore over Race, was very real and as past reality shows, where there is housemates locked in a house, or even a "Love Island", arguments have always broken out & plenty of bullying too.

Jade Goody was in Big Brother 3 and actually argued there and many have used the word (bully) and after the show, there was no furore.

Anyway, much time later and 8 million quid later, (in case you forgot Ruth) Jade came back and met Danielle & Jo then met Shilpa and the word (Race) began to come up, nevermind the bullying part Ruth, it was the (Race) part which made the furore.

If you listen to Davina, you can see where she is coming from, when she says that she can't understand it.
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Regarding your other comment, whereby you have strangely got annoyed about these big (Q&A's) between both of us.

I actually did a big post, all about the different angles of the situation between Jade, Jo & Danielle, which was in answer to another forum user.

Then suddenly, you Ruth, take each quote that I said and gave your opinions to each and every one of them.

I then took each of them points and gave my responses

It is actually called, "a good debate".

If you don't like it, then you don't have to make it happen. You actually said that you were'nt going to bother with Q&A's anymore, and place me on ignore.

Suddenly, you change your mind and start Q&Aing me again.

There's nothing wrong with this, even though you think there is??

I can only say, it is like you facing the X-Factor's judge Simon Cowell.

Many come and audition in front of him and personally think that they are very talented and can actually sing? Suddenly, Simon puts him or her down and tells it exactly how it is. If they are good, he'll tell them! If they are not, he may say something to hurt your feelings.

But deep down, he is actually right! Even though many thousands would disagree.
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In a case involving CBB Jan. There is sadly much disharmony and in fact, much trouble and also the biggest question mark ever hanging over the shows future.

How can you guarantee big ratings for a show which is going to go on for three months and editors are going to have to be so careful with the editing and at the same time, a show which is always argumentative at times, maybe they will have to show total peace and fun only.

It will become very mundane and boring and Endemol will look at the ratings and so will Virgin and that could be it?

I hope not.
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Regarding your threat of (me or you) situation.

I am sure you will rise above that comment and realise that it is 6 of one & a half a dozen of the other, with this situation.

nodisharmony :angel:

Everytime I see the fat pig faced slapper now the song "Strange Fruit" springs to mind - its the soundtrack of her life

Other than that :bored: