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armand.kay 18-04-2017 09:10 AM
I finally finished it and my opinion still stands, this show really isn't that great. I mean it did pick up a lot more in the last few eps.
Spoiler:

I start off with what Idid like. The whole concept and basic story quite interesting and is what kept me watching. I love the directing how the transitions between flashbacks and realtime are seamless.

Now what I didn't like:
Spoiler:

- The behaviour and dialogue really isn't realistic and this really pulls you out the story, I constantly find myself asking 'wtf are you doing?'. It also doesn't make much sense why some characters are so scared of the tapes getting out especially people like Zach and Ryan, like yeah he was a douchebag but could he get in serious trouble for a bad date? And for the dialogue "FML for life".....

- Why is Clay's mental health glossed over? Was he just freaking out over the tape? was it insomnia from not sleeping much? Or did the tapes trigger a past problem? The last one is heavily implied but nothing is confirmed.

- Tony is irritating, why is he so ambiguous when talking about the tapes? I get its to add some mystery to the show and meant to leave the audience hooked, but it doesn't make any sense at all for his character. He's meant to me Clay's best friend and he can clearly see how distressed this is all making him yet he is such an arse hole about it "it has to be done like this its what she wanted" like shut the **** up? we also don't see any of him and Hanna's friendship so this loyalty towards her is even more confusing. WHY DID HE ANSWER YES WHEN CLAY ASKED HIM IF HE KILLED HANNA?

- Clay is stupid and annoying. 2017 and i still have to watch self righteous idiots run around trying to do 'whats right' without thinking about their actions AT ALL!

- Mr porter being so unhelpful is just way out there for me. its just so unrealistic no professional would do that. Its 2017 and the school guidance counsellor (who doesn't seem to be corrupt, evil or anything of sorts) lets a 17 year old girl walk just walk out his office after telling him she's just been raped and basically spelling out that she's wants to end her life... I AM SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THIS IS A POSSIBLE SCENARIO!!??

- Hanna is awful. I read somewhere that the writer didn't want the audience to like her and he succeeded but it makes me not care about her killing herself. Yeah what Ryan did was bad but did he really deserve to get a tape telling him that he's responsible for her suicide? Did hanna really feel like he deserved this? Did clay deserve a body tape? For someone suicidal its very unusual that she seems to want to blame others for her suicide. Really it puts them two in the same box as someone who rapped her and her friend!?

- What is the show trying to do? I honestly do not buy this pseudo activism. It doesn't really seem like they did any research at all. The show basically romanticises depression as a way to get revenge on people who bully you, did they show any other ways of her dealing with the bulling? NO! Not only that the whole suicide scene was just so graphic?! Imo the show is extremely irresponsible. While the show does make you think about the way you treat others it makes it seem like every single little bad interaction you have with someone could lead to their suicide. Also end the show with another suicide attempt? really? did he leave tapes too?

Niamh. 18-04-2017 09:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9285163)
I finally finished it and my opinion still stands, this show really isn't that great. I mean it did pick up a lot more in the last few eps.
Spoiler:

I start off with what Idid like. The whole concept and basic story quite interesting and is what kept me watching. I love the directing how the transitions between flashbacks and realtime are seamless.

Now what I didn't like:
Spoiler:

- The behaviour and dialogue really isn't realistic and this really pulls you out the story, I constantly find myself asking 'wtf are you doing?'. It also doesn't make much sense why some characters are so scared of the tapes getting out especially people like Marcus, like yeah he was a douchebag but could he get in serious trouble for a bad date? And for the dialogue "FML for life".....

- Why is Clay's mental health glossed over? Was he just freaking out over the tape? was it insomnia from not sleeping much? Or did the tapes trigger a past problem? The last one is heavily implied but nothing is confirmed.

- Tony is irritating, why is he so ambiguous when talking about the tapes? I get its to add some mystery to the show and meant to leave the audience hooked, but it doesn't make any sense at all for his character. He's meant to me Clay's best friend and he can clearly see how distressed this is all making him yet he is such an arse hole about it "it has to be done like this its what she wanted" like shut the **** up? we also don't see any of him and Hanna's friendship so this loyalty towards her is even more confusing. WHY DID HE ANSWER YES WHEN CLAY ASKED HIM IF HE KILLED HANNA?

- Clay is stupid and annoying. 2017 and i still have to watch self righteous idiots run around trying to do 'whats right' without thinking about their actions AT ALL!

- Mr porter being so unhelpful is just way out there for me. its just so unrealistic no professional would do that. Its 2017 and the school guidance counsellor (who doesn't seem to be corrupt, evil or anything of sorts) lets a 17 year old girl walk just walk out his office after telling him she's just been raped and basically spelling out that she's wants to end her life... I AM SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THIS IS A POSSIBLE SCENARIO!!??

- Hanna is awful. I read somewhere that the writer didn't want the audience to like her and he succeeded but it makes me not care about her killing herself. Yeah what Zach did was bad but did he really deserve to get a tape telling him that he's responsible for her suicide? Did hanna really feel like he deserved this? Did clay deserve a body tape? For someone suicidal its very unusual that she seems to want to blame others for her suicide. Really it puts them two in the same box as someone who rapped her and her friend!?

- What is the show trying to do? I honestly do not buy this pseudo activism. It doesn't really seem like they did any research at all. The show basically romanticises depression as a way to get revenge on people who bully you, did they show any other ways of her dealing with the bulling? NO! Not only that the whole suicide scene was just so graphic?! Imo the show is extremely irresponsible. While the show does make you think about the way you treat others it makes it seem like every single little bad interaction you have with someone could lead to their suicide. Also end the show with another suicide attempt? really? did he leave tapes too?
I did really enjoy the show but having read what you didn't like about it I really can't disagree with any points you made :think: You've kind of changed my whole outlook on it now :laugh:

Spoiler:

I was confused about her friendship with Tony as well. They never really showed them being friends except for the very end when she borrowed the tape recorder from him and throughout the whole season she kind of made the point of if she only had a friend then she'd be fine so why didn't she hang out with Tony if she was that friendly with him?

Also, I did spend alot of the season thinking there would be some twist where she'd actually be alive and was just using this tape stuff as a way of teaching them all a lesson :laugh:

armand.kay 18-04-2017 09:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9285166)
I did really enjoy the show but having read what you didn't like about it I really can't disagree with any points you made :think: You've kind of changed my whole outlook on it now :laugh:

Spoiler:

I was confused about her friendship with Tony as well. They never really showed them being friends except for the very end when she borrowed the tape recorder from him and throughout the whole season she kind of made the point of if she only had a friend then she'd be fine so why didn't she hang out with Tony if she was that friendly with him?

Also, I did spend alot of the season thinking there would be some twist where she'd actually be alive and was just using this tape stuff as a way of teaching them all a lesson :laugh:
Don't get me wrong I did enjoy the show I just don't feel like its as good as people make out.
Spoiler:

Yeah Tony made it seem like they were quite close in her last few days. They didn't even show her giving him the tapes, we got no interaction between them at all.

I also thought she was end up being alive lol

Niamh. 18-04-2017 09:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9285176)
Don't get me wrong I did enjoy the show I just don't feel like its as good as people make out.
Spoiler:

Yeah Tony made it seem like they were quite close in her last few days. They didn't even show her giving him the tapes, we got no interaction between them at all.

I also thought she was end up being alive lol
Spoiler:

Also as much as I enjoyed the series, I'm not sure how I feel about a second, a kind of one off story about this girl and her story was enough without them going into Alex potential suicide/suicide attempt and possibly Tyler shooting up the school or something, I don't know, that's ...pardon the pun........overkill

Oh and getting back to your point about the school Counselor, urgh i don't buy that either, he seemed like a nice guy, you would have to be a cold hearted callous ****** to do what he did to her and he didn't strike me as that

y.winter 18-04-2017 09:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9285163)
I finally finished it and my opinion still stands, this show really isn't that great. I mean it did pick up a lot more in the last few eps.
Spoiler:

I start off with what Idid like. The whole concept and basic story quite interesting and is what kept me watching. I love the directing how the transitions between flashbacks and realtime are seamless.

Now what I didn't like:
Spoiler:

- The behaviour and dialogue really isn't realistic and this really pulls you out the story, I constantly find myself asking 'wtf are you doing?'. It also doesn't make much sense why some characters are so scared of the tapes getting out especially people like Zach and Ryan, like yeah he was a douchebag but could he get in serious trouble for a bad date? And for the dialogue "FML for life".....

- Why is Clay's mental health glossed over? Was he just freaking out over the tape? was it insomnia from not sleeping much? Or did the tapes trigger a past problem? The last one is heavily implied but nothing is confirmed.

- Tony is irritating, why is he so ambiguous when talking about the tapes? I get its to add some mystery to the show and meant to leave the audience hooked, but it doesn't make any sense at all for his character. He's meant to me Clay's best friend and he can clearly see how distressed this is all making him yet he is such an arse hole about it "it has to be done like this its what she wanted" like shut the **** up? we also don't see any of him and Hanna's friendship so this loyalty towards her is even more confusing. WHY DID HE ANSWER YES WHEN CLAY ASKED HIM IF HE KILLED HANNA?

- Clay is stupid and annoying. 2017 and i still have to watch self righteous idiots run around trying to do 'whats right' without thinking about their actions AT ALL!

- Mr porter being so unhelpful is just way out there for me. its just so unrealistic no professional would do that. Its 2017 and the school guidance counsellor (who doesn't seem to be corrupt, evil or anything of sorts) lets a 17 year old girl walk just walk out his office after telling him she's just been raped and basically spelling out that she's wants to end her life... I AM SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THIS IS A POSSIBLE SCENARIO!!??

- Hanna is awful. I read somewhere that the writer didn't want the audience to like her and he succeeded but it makes me not care about her killing herself. Yeah what Ryan did was bad but did he really deserve to get a tape telling him that he's responsible for her suicide? Did hanna really feel like he deserved this? Did clay deserve a body tape? For someone suicidal its very unusual that she seems to want to blame others for her suicide. Really it puts them two in the same box as someone who rapped her and her friend!?

- What is the show trying to do? I honestly do not buy this pseudo activism. It doesn't really seem like they did any research at all. The show basically romanticises depression as a way to get revenge on people who bully you, did they show any other ways of her dealing with the bulling? NO! Not only that the whole suicide scene was just so graphic?! Imo the show is extremely irresponsible. While the show does make you think about the way you treat others it makes it seem like every single little bad interaction you have with someone could lead to their suicide. Also end the show with another suicide attempt? really? did he leave tapes too?
Exactly :clap2:

Spoiler:

On the whole, it had a good potential, but some things could/should've been polished. Tony is the most blatant excuse of a character, his actions/motives/monologues have zero credibility. The cliff scene is ridiculous. He's supposed to be a 17 yo character, not an external objective narrator. I've understood from my little sister that he doesn't even take an active part in the original book, except being mentioned.

Niamh. 18-04-2017 09:59 AM
Not to mention he looks atleast 10 years older than what his character is supposed to be :laugh:

Smithy 18-04-2017 11:20 AM
Wtf was that ending :umm2:

Smithy 18-04-2017 11:21 AM
The show was good, but Jesus is it overrated, it felt like a teen drama like PLL or teen wolf, just with slightly better acting/writing

armand.kay 18-04-2017 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9285188)
Spoiler:

Also as much as I enjoyed the series, I'm not sure how I feel about a second, a kind of one off story about this girl and her story was enough without them going into Alex potential suicide/suicide attempt and possibly Tyler shooting up the school or something, I don't know, that's ...pardon the pun........overkill

Oh and getting back to your point about the school Counselor, urgh i don't buy that either, he seemed like a nice guy, you would have to be a cold hearted callous ****** to do what he did to her and he didn't strike me as that
Spoiler:

From the success of the show theres no doubt theres gonna be a second series, i think theres a second book I'm not sure. Even though I feel like a second series is pointless, maybe a series without Hanna might give us the chance to get to know the other characters a bit better and it might work out to be better.

yeah the school councillor seemed like a nice guy and in the dialogue between him and Hanna he seemed to be jumping from concerned to oblivious. Maybe that seen would of worked better if they had made him out to be a sexist dick, maybe corrupt for some reason? maybe had her try and talk to someone who wasn't supposed to be a professional at dealing with things like this? Idk just something!


Quote:
Originally Posted by y.winter (Post 9285203)
Exactly :clap2:

Spoiler:

On the whole, it had a good potential, but some things could/should've been polished. Tony is the most blatant excuse of a character, his actions/motives/monologues have zero credibility. The cliff scene is ridiculous. He's supposed to be a 17 yo character, not an external objective narrator. I've understood from my little sister that he doesn't even take an active part in the original book, except being mentioned.
Spoiler:

you can defiantly tell he doesn't play much of a part in the book he's just so mono toned, boring and poorly developed. Whats most frustrating is that the show teases a deeper more human side to him with the shot of him and his brothers(?) beating someone up, mentions of a sister, his relationship with Ryan and his coming out but all of that let nowhere. We had the one dimensional character at the end of the series

Deirdre 18-04-2017 05:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9285163)
I finally finished it and my opinion still stands, this show really isn't that great. I mean it did pick up a lot more in the last few eps.
Spoiler:

I start off with what Idid like. The whole concept and basic story quite interesting and is what kept me watching. I love the directing how the transitions between flashbacks and realtime are seamless.

Now what I didn't like:
Spoiler:

- The behaviour and dialogue really isn't realistic and this really pulls you out the story, I constantly find myself asking 'wtf are you doing?'. It also doesn't make much sense why some characters are so scared of the tapes getting out especially people like Zach and Ryan, like yeah he was a douchebag but could he get in serious trouble for a bad date? And for the dialogue "FML for life".....

- Why is Clay's mental health glossed over? Was he just freaking out over the tape? was it insomnia from not sleeping much? Or did the tapes trigger a past problem? The last one is heavily implied but nothing is confirmed.

- Tony is irritating, why is he so ambiguous when talking about the tapes? I get its to add some mystery to the show and meant to leave the audience hooked, but it doesn't make any sense at all for his character. He's meant to me Clay's best friend and he can clearly see how distressed this is all making him yet he is such an arse hole about it "it has to be done like this its what she wanted" like shut the **** up? we also don't see any of him and Hanna's friendship so this loyalty towards her is even more confusing. WHY DID HE ANSWER YES WHEN CLAY ASKED HIM IF HE KILLED HANNA?

- Clay is stupid and annoying. 2017 and i still have to watch self righteous idiots run around trying to do 'whats right' without thinking about their actions AT ALL!

- Mr porter being so unhelpful is just way out there for me. its just so unrealistic no professional would do that. Its 2017 and the school guidance counsellor (who doesn't seem to be corrupt, evil or anything of sorts) lets a 17 year old girl walk just walk out his office after telling him she's just been raped and basically spelling out that she's wants to end her life... I AM SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THIS IS A POSSIBLE SCENARIO!!??

- Hanna is awful. I read somewhere that the writer didn't want the audience to like her and he succeeded but it makes me not care about her killing herself. Yeah what Ryan did was bad but did he really deserve to get a tape telling him that he's responsible for her suicide? Did hanna really feel like he deserved this? Did clay deserve a body tape? For someone suicidal its very unusual that she seems to want to blame others for her suicide. Really it puts them two in the same box as someone who rapped her and her friend!?

- What is the show trying to do? I honestly do not buy this pseudo activism. It doesn't really seem like they did any research at all. The show basically romanticises depression as a way to get revenge on people who bully you, did they show any other ways of her dealing with the bulling? NO! Not only that the whole suicide scene was just so graphic?! Imo the show is extremely irresponsible. While the show does make you think about the way you treat others it makes it seem like every single little bad interaction you have with someone could lead to their suicide. Also end the show with another suicide attempt? really? did he leave tapes too?
I get a lot of what you're saying, the show isn't perfect and I'm not a stan or anything but in terms of Hannah, yeah I didn't really like her too and I guess that's the point. She does bring a lot of **** on herself, in particular the way she spoke to Zach when he asked her out, I don't really understand why she got so mad. But I think the point is that people are not perfect, we all have flaws.

I think also including people like Zach and Clay on the tapes alongside Bryce are to emphasis how everything built up for Hannah and it all got too much. When you're depressed you can feel like the world is out to get you and every little thing that goes wrong feels like a massive thing you'll never get over.

Also, to answer about why Tony said Clay killed Hannah, Hannah had a crush on him and he had a crush on her. If only they were honest about that, he could have saved her, she would have had something to live for, at least in her head. Yeah, it's a huge dramatisation, he didn't directly kill her, but he was a part of her life when she was suffering and he didn't act on trying to save her.

Also, a lot of people on college campuses are told to not report their rapes in order to protect the credibility of the school. I think this was what Mr Porter meant, he didn't want to deal with something like that or have the school's name blackened like that. I also had a counsellor tell me to 'get over it' in terms of something I was going through. I think it's a 'tough love' sort of approach, which clearly doesn't work and just makes you feel worse. So his behaviour is possible I think.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 20-04-2017 12:20 AM
ok so i just finished this and honestly thought it was borderline garbage lmao

like i really do not get the hype at all

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 20-04-2017 12:21 AM
i mean ok it wasn't garbage but i'd give it like a 6/10?? the suicide scene was ****ing awful and not in a good way

Marsh. 20-04-2017 12:24 AM
Selena Gomez murdering Yazoo was the TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 20-04-2017 12:58 AM
this could have been sooo good though which is frustrating like i could edit the show down/change some of the scenes and chop about 5 hours off and it would be amazing

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 20-04-2017 12:59 AM
but they hired selena gomez instead of me so that's on them

Marsh. 20-04-2017 01:01 AM
I'll wait to watch this then.

Probably watch Scott's Cut on youtube.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 20-04-2017 01:07 AM
:clap2:

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 20-04-2017 01:08 AM
also the music they used was trash too?

they should have played crystal castles - magic spells during the suicide scene because i just said

Withano 25-04-2017 10:43 PM
Ive been binge watching the **** out of this. Im loving it. On ep9 now.

Denver 27-04-2017 12:17 PM
It looks like a second season for 13 Reasons Why is a sure thing now.

Both Deadline and The Hollywood Reporter have heard rumblings that it's only a matter of time before Netflix makes the news official.

According to The Hollywood Reporter, the writing team for the drama have already convened and have been working on season two for a few weeks.

Also rather interestingly, Riverdale has announced that Ross Butler's character Reggie will be recast for season two due to scheduling conflicts.

Fans will know that Butler plays Zach Dempsey in 13 Reasons Why, and many people have been speculating that the scheduling conflict comes from the Netflix drama's potential second season.

Shaun 07-05-2017 04:06 AM
Just watched episode 1 and um... does it get a lot better?

Is it unreasonable to find the character of Hannah, the setup of the tapes, the way she speaks, incredibly irritating? Idc what you've been through hun, ditch the pretentious podcast shtick. Reminds me of Mr. Robot's Darlene but without the good cause. So whiney.

Half of the characters introduced so far seem stereotypes (naggy mom, uninterested dad - both of Clay - geeky kid that happens to be hella good-looking, dumb/asshole jock) and a lot of the dialogue is corny as hell.

Idk I'll stick with it but that was a hell of a bad pilot.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 07-05-2017 11:19 AM
i want to sex clay

Firewire 07-05-2017 04:38 PM
Officially renewed for a 13-episode second season to be released next year

Denver 07-05-2017 04:42 PM
I am glad because they left it with a lot of questions still to be answered

Morgan. 07-05-2017 04:43 PM
They haven't ruled out Katherine Langford returning as Hannah Baker either as she is an 'integral part' of the story to come.


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