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Withano 03-05-2017 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9296296)
I admire anyone who has a valid rethink, whichever party they represent. Research is all very well but things change without notice, so even the most well-prepared politician with the world's greatest researcher may have the landscape changed in front of him (or indeed, her...) which could lead to their original stance to be the wrong one.
This was the article I had in mind when I made that post, I was gonna add it in.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...womens-issues/

I admire someone who can change their mind, I admire someone more if they dont need to because they thought about their stance on the issue properly the first time round.

Livia 03-05-2017 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9296300)
This was the article I had in mind when I made that post, I was gonna add it in.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...womens-issues/

I admire someone who can change their mind, I admire someone more if they dont need to because they thought about their stance on the issue properly the first time round.
Sit down, Withano.... hold on to something solid..... we agree!

DemolitionRed 03-05-2017 01:58 PM
Nobody wants to hang anyone. Its human nature to side with people who share our identity. Its also human nature to change our ideas but in May's case, we are talking about our expectations through preference politics. When a PM is in the habit of regularly changing their mind, how are we to believe or trust in their election campaign promises?

DemolitionRed 03-05-2017 02:03 PM
Since becoming PM, she promised a Britain that would work for everyone before changing her mind and introducing more crippling cuts to benefits.

She claimed she wanted to heavily invest to save the NHS and then changed her mind and implemented more cuts.

She said she wanted a fairer education for everyone before pushing ahead with the idea of grammar schools.

It just feels divisive.

Niamh. 03-05-2017 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9296297)
I wonder about politicians motives sometimes, whether they're u-turning or not.
This is true :laugh:

Tom4784 03-05-2017 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9296288)
Am I the only one here who thinks that a politician changing their mind should not be a hanging offence? I kind of admire politicians who u turn. Never be afraid to say you've found a better way to do things. Never be afraid to say you were wrong.
I don't mind a politician that makes u-turns for the right reasons but May's u-turns seem to be more for her own benefit than anyone else's. The only reason she's called a snap election after saying she wouldn't for months is because she spotted an opportunity to crush the opposition, She wants to consolidate her hold now because she knows she wouldn't win if the election happened when it should have.

It's an issue of opportunity rather than sincerity when it comes U-turns and politicians like May.

Tom4784 03-05-2017 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9296278)
I think self belief gives you confidence and confidence makes you stronger.

That confidence generally puts you in a stronger position in negotiations, as you are less likely to take any crap and more likely fight for what you want. Don't knock it.

Despite how much you knock this country we do have a lot to offer and the EU know that - even though they are not going to admit it for obvious reasons.
It isn't a job interview where we can blag it through confidence alone, it's a negotiation in which EU knows it holds all the cards.

Ah the ol' patriotic act to try to silence any dissenting opinions, a weak ploy for people who can't argue their position any other way.

We don't have a leg to stand on, that is the reality here. Deluding yourself into thinking differently won't change that.

joeysteele 03-05-2017 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9296394)
I don't mind a politician that makes u-turns for the right reasons but May's u-turns seem to be more for her own benefit than anyone else's. The only reason she's called a snap election after saying she wouldn't for months is because she spotted an opportunity to crush the opposition, She wants to consolidate her hold now because she knows she wouldn't win if the election happened when it should have.

It's an issue of opportunity rather than sincerity when it comes U-turns and politicians like May.
Absolutely true,all of that.

There's nothing I've observed as to her that looks sincere or trustworthy.
It appears her word,no matter how many times she gives it or stresses it,is completely meaningless.

Brillopad 03-05-2017 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9296402)
It isn't a job interview where we can blag it through confidence alone, it's a negotiation in which EU knows it holds all the cards.

Ah the ol' patriotic act to try to silence any dissenting opinions, a weak ploy for people who can't argue their position any other way.

We don't have a leg to stand on, that is the reality here. Deluding yourself into thinking differently won't change that.
We will see.

Tom4784 03-05-2017 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9296422)
We will see.
We will, blind hope won't help much when reality sets it.


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