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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9329573)

I do actually think the Tories have a big part to play in the NHS but underfunding is not the ONLY problem.It possibly half the problem.We have the Tories who are saying they will tackle immigration(probably won't) and they'll still carry on underfunding the NHS and running it into the ground.
Then we have Labour who would(hopefully) put more into the NHS and pay the nurses what they deserve but are weak on the immigration part.
Now i am going to vote Labour as i think they're the lesser of two evils but if they don't tackle the immigration part and it infact gets worse they're going to be flushing that extra funding down the toilet.
The NHS imo was never designed to be able to handle an ever increasing population.

I honestly think we have to consider how much longer we all live.
Being elderly in itself brings its own problems, bones break easier, more arthritis, more respiratory illnesses, hearts and other organs getting worn out.
So, as much as I can't stand Tim Farron, I think he is on to something when he suggests 1% tax rise across the board, as long as it is specifically goes to health and social care.

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 9329582)

I would happily pay a little more tax for the NHS aslong as i know that it's not getting wasted and the immigration issue is being dealt with too and not being left to grow.Otherwise that tax is going to be going nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9329595)

Can't say fairer than that N.Monkey.

Poxwell was a controversial politician,it seems another marmite one,either really liked or loathed.

Reading about him,I guess I would have felt his terminology at times stemmed from racial prejudice, he would not have been someone I rated myself.

He was apparently for sure a thorn in PM Edward Heath's side over Europe.
He sort of inclined to guide voters to vote Labour in 1974.

He also ended up an MP for a Down constituency in Northern Ireland for a time too.
He sure got about.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9329564)

I think you've got that arse backwards there... If labour win and don't address the actual problems then of course nothing will change. That doesn't reflect at all on whether "all of those immigrants" have anything to do with it being overstretched.

... It's when the Tories stay in power, and if they do successfully drastically reduce immigration, AND YET none of our problems magically disappear and the NHS is still bursting at the seams... That's when those who blame migration as a catch-all for every problem will have to find another scapegoat. Seriously... What are the Powells of the world going to do if they drastically decrease immigration but problems persist? Who are they going to blame? I don't even have to ask I suppose; it will be "breeders on benefits" all of a sudden.

Pretty much, The tories aren't scapegoats so accusing me of using them as such is just very silly.

The NHS should be protected at all costs and it's problems stem from underfunding and the fact that the Tories' sabotage are turning medical staff away from it and towards private organisations instead. If the tories actually gave it the funding it needs then a lot of it's issues would be sorted but they aren't interested in that since the Tories benefit more from a private system.

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9329286)

So what's the answer, we bend to the will of the racists as we cower in fear of a handful of radicals?

That doesn't sound very British to me.

you tell me, if I knew the answer to that I wouldn't be sat typing on TBB. By the way it isn't only a handful of radicals anymore people are being radicalised by the day

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9329286)

So what's the answer, we bend to the will of the racists as we cower in fear of a handful of radicals?

That doesn't sound very British to me.

A handful!!! Either you are pretty crap at math or you see what you want to see.