It's the rights of terrorists - they are not entitled to any rights when they commit such atrocities.

You've missed the point as usual.

You are willing to cut off your nose to spite your face and in the process you are invalidating the sacrifices of everyone who made and protected our human rights. It's disgraceful.

To live in fear and to revoke our own rights for a false sense of security is akin to terrorism winning. People like you are being played like a goddamn fiddle and you'll go along with it gladly because you are incapable of seeing beyond the headlines, the shallow gestures and the catchphrases. Do you actually know anything about Theresa May's policies? Can you name one? Do you know who you are actually supporting?

For the love of God, no matter who you vote for tomorrow at least glance at the manifestos and be informed about it.

I definitely think it's a move worth taking. Ironically, since I'm under 25, they're going to make it more difficult for me to leave home, let alone abroad.

It's just the thought of what they're about to do to this country that makes me feel physically sick. The amount of people who are about to be ****ed over, left for dead, our public services continuing to crumble, them turning this country into some quasi-police state, giving the press free reign to do what the hell they like, gerrymandering the electoral boundaries to turn us into a one-party state, rescinding worker's rights, bailing out of the EU without a deal (genuinely think this is a strong possibility) which'll sink this country overnight, the list goes on.

I agree with you when you say you don't pity these people anymore. I'm past the point of caring, I hope this next Tory government inflicts a whole world of pain of them so they can realise what this party is actually all about. Maybe when the affects of austerity trickle down to the 'I'm alright Jack' types they'll wake up and see what's going on, or the Brexit debacle will turn out to be a poisoned chalice. But even then I'm losing hope, cause they'll trot out more recycled messages about 'strong and stable leadership', 'balancing the budget', 'coalition of chaos' and the cycle will continue.

I really do miss the pig ****er and the Pepsi sniffer. Awful, but not deplorable. This manifesto literally screams The Nasty Party and they're still going to win.

Those who are panicking about the idea of looking at human rights sound more like they are fearful to me. :shrug:

Good luck to you and Jack_ though I think you will find the grass isn't always greener. :shrug:

I suppose you would be able to vote against President Trump next time an election comes up. Trudeau seems nice.

I have to agree with you on this one, the reaction on this subject does seem OTT to me.

Look at Theresa May's history, her whole career has been about getting more invasions on privacy and freedoms.

The ridiculous thing is, those voting for the Tories tomorrow won't find out what they voted for until afterwards. Not exactly confidence building is it.

Of course I'm fearful, the thought of gullible fools throwing away Human Rights out of hysterical spite is terrifying. If it doesn't worry you then you probably don't have a good understanding of what Human Rights are.

As the old quote goes, 'the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter'.

Hehe! I'm going to pin that quote on my fridge.

She won't last long either way. Yes she will win this election. But after the Brexit thing, the Tories will get rid. I fully expect to see a leadership challenge with near the whole party behind the candidate that stands against her. The conservative party may be many things, but they are not stupid. They know she is crap, and won't stand for it. They will soon replace her with someone who actually IS 'strong and stable'.

But they will wait. As they want to have someone to blame for Brexit. Not for going through with it of course as the people voted for it. But either for getting no trade deal, or having to keep freedom of movement. As one of those IS going to happen.

I tend to not like Tory policies (though some I do agree with) but I wouldn't slag off the PM just for the sake of it. An d May is dire. I actually feel a bit sorry for her, as she was forced into a role she was neither ready for nor actually wanted. Its no wonder shes awful at it really.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40187805

I find the following quote from that article particularly pertinent:

A derogation was sought after the 9/11 attacks in 2001 in order to indefinitely detain terror suspects at Belmarsh prison.
The Law Lords (the predecessors of the Supreme Court) declared these measures disproportionate and unlawfully discriminatory because they targeted only non-UK citizens.
Lord Hoffman ruled: "The real threat to the life of the nation, in the sense of a people living in accordance with its traditional laws and political values, comes not from terrorism but from laws such as these."

Indeed Jack, it really is frightening.

I just got back from being in Durham, and I overheard some guy going on about this human rights thing. He was all for scrapping them...his reason

'They are something forced upon us by europe and only benefit terrorists'

There are actually people who think like this. Gavin just kind of glared at me so I didn't set him straight. I mean, its fair enough having the view that this is a good thing IF you understand Human Rights. But this guy clearly didn't. And a hell of a lot of voters won't either...these rights were fought for and we are going to throw them away for nothing, just because May has put the ****ters up people about terrorism. Its kind of..look there don't look here isn't it. Just when she was coming under fire for cutting funds to security services and such...she throws out this gem.

Sweet Jesus :facepalm:


**glarted though, is that similar to a shart? :think:

LOL. Glared that should be.

What an awful last-ditch attempt to sway voters back.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-of-terrorists

Shadow Brexit secretary speaking so much ****ing sense.

Basically, think before throwing away our own rights. None of these attacks would have been prevented by scrapping human rights and 'apparently' being able to deport terrorists quicker.

It's just a eve of the election shock headline to get gullibles to vote

Indeed; what exactly is the point of scrapping a load of human rights to "deport terrorists faster once they're caught", whilst making sweeping cuts that mean they're less likely to be caught in the first place?

I also have a bit of an issue with the whole "Deport them!!" mantra. Like... what? So long as we're OK, who cares if they carry out an attack somewhere else in the world? Just palm them off on another country and let them deal with it? When most of them, if they weren't born in this country, were certainly radicalized here. In my view, that makes them OUR criminals to deal with.

If a British kid moves to the US when he's a normal 10 year old and falls in with a violent gang in a US city, then kills several people when he's 30... do we think the US should say "Hey UK! This guy who was born in your country is a criminal, we've put him on a plane, you can either lock him up at your expense or let him loose on your own streets but we want nothing to do with it thanks."

I very much doubt the brave men and women who fought in the wars to protect this country would be happy to see the state it is in now with all these terrorist attacks on innocent people and all the hate from certain sectors of our community towards our way of life who have little respect for our country or our culture - so please don't wheel that out - as I don't think you know what you are talking about.

It isn't those that support the removal of the rights of terrorists that should be ashamed.

Problem is, she cannot just change laws to affect terrorists and not ordinary people?! Human rights are either for everyone or no-one. Its impossible to have human rights for everyone except for terrorists. Laws don't work like that :S

Listen more and stop panicking. Because we aren't told a pack of lies on a daily basis in the leadup to the election. Just listen to what politicians say. Do not think about it, nor look up things yourself to check if what we are listening to is true, or even can be true.

I am taking your mention of 'terrorists' to be people who we have proof are actually terrorists? Problem here is...prosecuting actual terrorists is not difficult when the proof is there. These proposed changes will be about 'suspected terrorists'. In other words, scrapping innocent until proven guilty. Thats why its scary that so many are accepting this as a good thing.

You can continue to delude yourself into thinking that but people have died to protect the rights we've enjoyed and to destroy them like you want to for no good reason is basically allowing thousands of people's deaths to be in vain....just so you can feel less guilty about engaging in your prejudices.

Human Rights should be protected, to give them up in fear is to let the terrorists win. Your attitude towards Human Rights is shameful.

Will you please at least try to remember that you CAN'T "remove the rights of terrorists" without removing rights for everyone. It's not a thing, it doesn't exist.

I feel exactly the same way about your attitude towards them. Terrorists are not entitled to any rights. If you think they are that is your problem.