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bots 11-06-2017 10:22 AM
No deal is done until the deal is done, and even then it may not last 5 minutes :laugh:

The tories are going through a process that they need to or they would be failing in their duty to the British people, to at least try and form a government.

However, all it will take is a small handful of disaffected tories to stop everything in its tracks.

What are the odds of a re-run of the election in the next 60 days? I would happily put a few quid on that.

Kizzy 11-06-2017 03:47 PM
This is on the rocks thank god :D

JTM45 11-06-2017 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9352028)
or they would be failing in their duty to the British people
This is what the Tories do best.
Shacking up with a bunch of homophobic, anti-choice, delusional creationist bigots is them failing their duty to the British people. Theresa May calling a snap general election to puff her chest after she specifically said she wouldn't was her failing her duty to the British people.

I could go on.......but if it isn't clear to you by this point.:shrug:

Kizzy 11-06-2017 04:18 PM
Can you imagine this shower of backward thinkers in parliament?... When she suggested it you cold almost hear the entire nation facepalm! :laugh:

Tom4784 11-06-2017 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9350882)
Why should she - she did better than Corbyn. Sick of people who can't accept a public vote. First Brexit now the election. She won - get over it.
The Tories went from having a majority government to a hung government and a large part of this is down to May who lead a terrible campaign and opted for an election when the Tories didn't need one just to try to crush the competition.

If you think this is a win for the Tories then you don't understand politics. They are in a worse position than they were before, they lost the majority they had previously and it looks like another election will likely be called soon and if that's the case they'll likely lose the minority they had too.

Brillopad 11-06-2017 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9352573)
Can you imagine this shower of backward thinkers in parliament?... When she suggested it you cold almost hear the entire nation facepalm! :laugh:
Entire nation! :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

Brillopad 11-06-2017 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9352581)
The Tories went from having a majority government to a hung government and a large part of this is down to May who lead a terrible campaign and opted for an election when the Tories didn't need one just to try to crush the competition.

If you think this is a win for the Tories then you don't understand politics. They are in a worse position than they were before, they lost the majority they had previously and it looks like another election will likely be called soon and if that's the case they'll likely lose the minority they had too.
All guesswork and bravado. No definites about anything - just supposition.

Tom4784 11-06-2017 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9350947)
Corbyns party have been asking him to resign for ages aswell,he didn't go,so anything can happen.
Because Corbyn managed to drum up a lot of public support and they made gains in this election when everybody thought they would be obliterated.

It'll be difficult for anyone in Labour to make a case against Corbyn when it's been shown that he has a strong following and can turn a bad situation around.

Tom4784 11-06-2017 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9352586)
All guesswork and bravado. No definites about anything - just supposition.
Are you saying it's not factual that Tories lost seats? Is the fact that they went from a Tory majority to a minority not true? Jesus ****ing Christ, utter delusion on your part if you are gonna try to deny those facts.

Mitchell 11-06-2017 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9350869)
Tories will make Britian Great again
They will, Theresa ****ed it up by calling this election and now there's likely to be another election which hopefully labour will win and make Britain great again :)

Brillopad 11-06-2017 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchell (Post 9352606)
They will, Theresa ****ed it up by calling this election and now there's likely to be another election which hopefully labour will win and make Britain great again :)
Great Britain will as good as disappear off the face of the map with Corbyn in charge.

DemolitionRed 11-06-2017 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9351873)
Clueless........really.:bored:
I think Ill stick with the world economists view and not some record that's got stuck.

DemolitionRed 11-06-2017 05:19 PM
Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.

Kizzy 11-06-2017 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9352709)
Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.
No I would not, and with good reason, there must be a clause in the good friday agreement that states that this power sharing deal is contrary to any deal on neutrality?... She has screwed up royally and she knows it :)

joeysteele 11-06-2017 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9352709)
Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.

No I wouldn't then again I'd never trust a word of May's or her actions.

Also I agree with what Kizzy said too.

Vicky. 11-06-2017 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9351851)
In theory yes but it's not essential. If May's Queen's Speech does not pass, then as the official opposition Labour are invited to attempt to form a government and do the same.

This is where it's interesting. Do moderate (LGB) Tories uncomfortable with being propped up by the DUP, vote down the QS but risk putting Corbyn into number ten? All it takes is eight abstentions, noes or crossing the floor and they lose their working majority. The same applies for confidence motions. Which of their principals are more important to them?

So, in the event of a Labour QS, Tory MPs would be faced with a choice: abstain or even vote it up, handing Corbyn the keys, or vote it down and stare another general election in the face, while their party is in disarray. In this scenario Labour actually have the upper hand. There are further problems though, and this is why I'm not sure it's the best strategy for Labour. Say they attempt to govern as a minority, the Tories can then be difficult and vote down legislation in an attempt to show him up as ineffective. Or, alternatively, they abstain and leave him be for the foreseeable, expecting the Brexit negotiations to be a disaster, giving them attack lines on a plate ready for the next election.

I expect May's QS to pass but how long can this go on for? It's unworkable.
Yes. I don't really get why Corbyn is doing this. It is NOT a good thing to be in control when Brexit hits properly. Let the Tories sort out their own mess ffs...

Mitchell 11-06-2017 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9352622)
Great Britain will as good as disappear off the face of the map with Corbyn in charge.
And it'll all be Theresa May's fault for calling an unnecessary general election! :hehe:

user104658 11-06-2017 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9352715)
No I would not, and with good reason, there must be a clause in the good friday agreement that states that this power sharing deal is contrary to any deal on neutrality?... She has screwed up royally and she knows it :)
The entire crux of the Good Friday agreement is that both "sides" will share power, with Westminster able to step in with (supposed) unbiased judgement if there is a disagreement. The DUP having any sway over the government completely undermines the basic principles of the agreement to the extent that I would say it makes it effectively void. It's hugely worrying.

In fact it's so precarious that I would say, now having looked into the potential consequences, that the DUP (and Sinn Fein, but I doubt they ever would anyway) should simply not be able to enter into a formal or informal agreement like this in Westminster. Even that means the SNP and Plaid also not being eligible to do so as a consequence, then so be it. The consequences are just not worth it for the sake of political chess.

Brillopad 11-06-2017 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9353089)
The entire crux of the Good Friday agreement is that both "sides" will share power, with Westminster able to step in with (supposed) unbiased judgement if there is a disagreement. The DUP having any sway over the government completely undermines the basic principles of the agreement to the extent that I would say it makes it effectively void. It's hugely worrying.

In fact it's so precarious that I would say, now having looked into the potential consequences, that the DUP (and Sinn Fein, but I doubt they ever would anyway) should simply not be able to enter into a formal or informal agreement like this in Westminster. Even that means the SNP and Plaid also not being eligible to do so as a consequence, then so be it. The consequences are just not worth it for the sake of political chess.
But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

Vicky. 11-06-2017 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9353131)
But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.
I saw this mentioned the day of the election results. I expect it wasn't spoken about before that as noone really expected any result except for a (large) Tory majority...so noone really thought through options.

user104658 11-06-2017 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9353131)
But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.
No one (NO one), from any party, not May, not Corbyn, just Kizzy, really expected it to be anything other than a Conservative majority... I genuinely just don't think it was ever thought through because no one thought the situation would come up. When it was seen as a possibility in 2015 that Milliband might be able to form a coalition government with the SNP, the Tories were dead set against the idea... it came up because it was seen as a very realistic election outcome. This wasn't, so no one even mentioned it. It's only now that it's a reality that people are stepping forward to point out that there are some very deep concerns.

Jack_ 11-06-2017 08:19 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCB65lyWsAAUILF.jpg:large

I'm pissing

Jack_ 11-06-2017 08:19 PM
The internet has been the best during this election campaign

Kizzy 11-06-2017 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9353161)
No one (NO one), from any party, not May, not Corbyn, not even Kizzy, really expected it to be anything other than a Conservative majority... I genuinely just don't think it was ever thought through because no one thought the situation would come up. When it was seen as a possibility in 2015 that Milliband might be able to form a coalition government with the SNP, the Tories were dead set against the idea... it came up because it was seen as a very realistic election outcome. This wasn't, so no one even mentioned it. It's only now that it's a reality that people are stepping forward to point out that there are some very deep concerns.
Erm ... I was the only person to keep my faith thank you :idc:

user104658 11-06-2017 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9353404)
Erm ... I was the only person to keep my faith thank you :idc:
Edited.


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