Originally Posted by JerseyWins (Post 9621200)

I get it if people see him as a WOAT candidate (even though he's not) but Chanelle alone was just way worse. You also had a couple other bad ones in his own season so he's far from the worst.

Originally Posted by RobertC (Post 9621242)

Chanelle wasn't perfect but she didn't have some weird psycho-manipulative air about her where she leads some vulnerable girl on for her own gain whilst constantly "letting them down easy", nor did she ever demean someone for their appearance/how relevant of a human being they were. She was argumentative sure and could be a little out there but actual malice with her wasn't nearly as high as Lotan. There's a good reason she got a couple mini-warnings whereas he was removed swiftly.

Originally Posted by RobertC (Post 9621173)

No, Isabelle couldn't have a legit conversation with him because he constantly attacked her for her opinions, her looks, her relevance as a person, being a patronizing twat, etc. so she decided to take matters into her own hands and take him down at his own game. Using big words so you can win an argument doesn't automatically mean you're intelligent. It can also mean you're just a tool.

Also anyone who freaks out, flinging their drink, screaming and busting against diary room walls, leaving a diary room and having to be dragged back in, and threatening to "****ing destroy" Isabelle cameras or no cameras all simply over the "Role model to yer son though???" comment thrown at them is no true intellectual.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9621378)

But she didn't 'take him down' at all :joker: She just hung onto Chanelle's crew (knowing that they were already popular, plus Kieran didn't want anything to do with her so she practically had nowhere else to go) in hope that it would benefit her and it did ironically.

Chanelle did more 'violent' things than Lotan ever did but remained in the house. It's called favouritism.

I'm also not saying I agree with everything Lotan did/said, but Isabelle was far more nasty to him than vice versa.

Originally Posted by RobertC (Post 9621382)

And this is where I end taking this seriously. There's a reason the public ended up rooting for her after he proved what an utter tool he was. And she did take him down, he was fired from his job for being a sexist dickhead. And no I'd much rather someone call me a bad role model to my son than tell me I'm boring, my appearance looks weird, etc. or threaten to ****ing destroy me physically and mentally.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9621386)

From that I can get that you definitely don't have kids then. That's knowingly the worst thing you can say to someone (it's also irrelevant).

What's new, the public rooting for a girl over a guy? :joker: Nope, happens every time because girls are able to come across as more vulnerable and the public fall for the sympathy vote.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9621459)

Isbaelle came for his family, saying something that she knew would get to him and cause him to react in a certain way. He lost his temper for a moment, so what? :shrug: Her comment was blatantly more evil.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9621459)

Isbaelle came for his family

Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9621205)

I've never understood the "awful person but great housemate" argument. If I find someone totally abhorrent I can't bare to watch them, let alone admire how "entertaining" they are.

Originally Posted by RobertC (Post 9621392)

That's not what ****ing happened and if anything in Big Brother UK culture it's usually the guy who gets cut some slack while the girl gets labelled woeful things like *****, slag, vile tramp, etc. Do you even watch this show?

Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9622133)

This ''ooohhhh, but the nasty young girl brought his family into it'' crap is (in this specific situation) the excuse of someone with no valid excuse to throw out there...........and not true!

No she DIDN'T. If you can't work that out then you have no understanding of the English language. She commented about HIM and what she said was 100% irrefutably correct.

Chanelle did nothing or said nothing that came close to being ''more 'violent''' than Loutan!
Loutan is, was and always will be a massive TWAT.

Originally Posted by Pink Panther (Post 9622178)

EXACTLY. Obviously that poster is either trolling or are a recent BB viewer that doesn't know the history of how most of the gp root for the hot male at all costs....

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9622327)

She brought his son into the situation which was nor will ever be relevant to their argument. It's disgusting behaviour and clearly said for a reaction aka baiting.

Lotan was talking to Chanelle in the bedroom and she got up and would have gone for him if her little crew had not held her back. She couldn't control herself.

Originally Posted by RileyHollyoaks (Post 9622330)

fook off

All she said was that Lotan was not being a good role model to his son, who will probably watch this sooner or later. I wouldn't want to have seen my dad antagonize people the way that piece of scum did. And Lotan was blatantly antagonizing Chanelle as well, and leaning over her so why should she not have got up? She didn't want him near her and he just kept going for it.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9622327)

She brought his son into the situation which was nor will ever be relevant to their argument. It's disgusting behaviour and clearly said for a reaction aka baiting.

Originally Posted by Pink Panther (Post 9622176)

I can get that argument but not in Lotan's case. He was not a good housemate nor was he a good person. He did provide storylines and drama which was good for the show but HE was not a good housemate.

People like Nicola Mclean NicolE and Jemma Lucy are shitty people that make for great housemates in CBB19 and CBB20. They're horrible but not horrible enough that they're unbearable to watch. They were overall good housemates. Hope that makes sense.

Originally Posted by RobertC (Post 9622386)

"Yer out the door this weekend Isabelle! See ya!"

"Would the real Isabella please stand up?"

"Why am I vain? Why am I vain?"

"Are you looking in the mirror babe?? Did anyone give her vain??? :laugh: "

You really think she goaded him for no reason?

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9622555)

That's fine, I'm saying that it's what she said that crossed the line.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9622341)

It's not her place to bring his son into it though, that's the point. It just has zero relevance to the show. You don't generally go into Big Brother to be a role model, she knows nothing about their father/son relationship so she shouldn't bother going there.

He can go where he wants, it wasn't as though he was in her personal space. She should have escaped the situation if she couldn't handle it or have acted maturely which I have never seen her do so it's not like that was gonna happen.

Originally Posted by Ja$e (Post 9622873)

Yup. Up there with the likes of BB9's Derek.