Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9681963)

I don't understand then what you mean about the womens currently being neutral? Because Caitlyn is post-op and there's the traditional women's sign next to the door.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9681756)

I find the mens/disabled combo more offensive tbh (although i do find it quite tasteless). Why are disabled women being told to go in the mens?

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9681848)

Even in that case though, a disabled loo should be separate as...well able bodied people aren't meant to use disabled loos.

I do not understand why they didn't just make one gender neutral, and the other disabled, if they are going to let men into the womens anyway (which I do agree with, with post-op trans people only) Would make much more sense [emoji23]

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9681857)

which is why, if they are making the loos gender neutral, they should have had the disabled one separate.

Also a man is more likely to be comfortable going into the womens loos than vice versa. Most women are nervous in isolated situations with strange men. Hell even most transmen I have read about do not want to use the mens loos for fear of being attacked. I am not a man so don't know this for sure, but according to male friends its not scary to go into a place full of women, though apparently it would maybe be embarrassing.

But yeah, even with all of that said, disabled loos should always be separate if there is the option to do that. Which there clearly is in this case. Change the door sign to disabled only. And allow the men and women in the womens together, which is what they are doing anyway.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9681933)

if you cut a glory hole in her mouth and did what the hole was intended for then i guess people would be like "ew gross"

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9682008)

I don't think it makes a difference though? You've still got the disabled toilet open to both sexes?

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9682049)

Disabled toilets are always open to both sexes though :suspect:

I don't think ablebodied people and disabled people should be sharing loos. Mainly as...disabled people (in general) are less able to wait. And as disabled people are relatively rare, its unlikely that there is going to be a situation where a disabled person has to wait for the loo, IF only disabled people use it

Does that make sense? Not sure I am explaining myself well at all.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9682072)

Oh I thought your issue was disabled women having to share with men when disabled loos are almost always unisex anyway. [emoji23]

It might be that the one door leads to two doors inside. I've come across that before. :think:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9682084)

Well to start with my issue was with disabled women having to go into the able bodied mens loo.

Then became disabled people in general sharing their (fought for) spaces with able bodied people.

Then just a bit of rage that it clearly had not been thought through in general.

Then the realization that it HAS been thought through and was just a publicity stunt to start with :joker:

A range of emotions felt here by me

Originally Posted by James (Post 9682236)

Isn't the point of the pictures to say 'we're okay with people who have had sex changes using the female toilet'... because there is some controversy in America about that just now.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9681592)

I don't think it's offensive, but I don't think it's funny either. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9682385)

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/alle...caitlyn-jenner

More on this, explaining why its apparently transphobic. From what I can make of the ridiculous arguments, its because 'Caitlyn' was always a woman and has never ever been a man. Madness :joker:

Includes a reply from the restaurant too.

Also a long twitter thread about it

https://twitter.com/DomDiFurio/statu...42834428239878

This has now been posted by 3 of my friends on FB. Very viral [emoji23]

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9682400)

It's ridiculous because I doubt even Caitlyn herself would agree with that assessment. [emoji23]