Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 9726643)

Looks like you need a job in government BOTS :laugh: with all due respect you have it totally wrong thinking the Irish government wants a United Ireland.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9726649)

lol, thats just one facet, there are a load of others, and it doesn't really matter if they do or don't want it now, it has contributed to the whole shaping of the situation as we have it today. Rightly or wrongly, people are fearful of where things may go. Add the bureaucratic nightmare that is the EU with their own agenda, and even Spain, with theirs and the whole thing gets messed up even further.

Like I said earlier, Brexit, has very little to do with it in reality, it's just a focal point for "winning" a battle.

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 (Post 9726662)

Ireland should be united, all pulling in one direction

make Belfast the capital with the parliament etc and move forward

Call it the United Northern Ireland

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 9726658)

I'm not going to even attempt to get into the Spain situation because I don't know enough about it all. But regarding Ireland, do you really think it has nothing to do with economics for Ireland? I mean do you think we're all that moronic over here that we aren't worried about our trade and how it will effect us? We're a little Island in the middle of an ocean cut off from the rest of the EU now since the UK has left but you think we're not worried about how that will effect us and are only thinking about some lost romantic notion of a United Ireland? Ok then.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9726673)

Ireland as an independent country chose to join the EU, its choice, and its staying there, that hasn't changed. I think what you are saying is that, that decision is only viable if the UK is too, which may be true, but it shouldn't involve them forcing the UK to be part of the club against their will. People need to compromise

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9729954)

Sufficient progress has been made in Brexit talks, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has said; paving the way for talks on the future UK-EU relationship.

Theresa May arrived in Brussels on Friday morning following overnight talks on the issue of the Irish border.

The PM said there would be no hard border and the Good Friday Agreement would be upheld.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9729954)

The PM said there would be no hard border and the Good Friday Agreement would be upheld.

Originally Posted by Toy Santa (Post 9730015)

How are they going to control EU immigration if part of the UK has a soft border with an EU country? :joker:.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9730025)

Exactly.Hoping they explain this throughout the day.

All those farming lorries that go between south and north will be rammed with illegals unless some kind of check can be done.
Hard border between Ireland and EU mainland?

Hard border in the Irish Sea?

Checks once already in the country?

Originally Posted by Candy Cane (Post 9730114)

I know people have flagged this but (a) they have to get to Southern Ireland first and then (b) how do they get from NI to the mainland, I assume you still have to show your passport at airports and ferries?

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas (Post 9730118)

Yes, surely there is some sort of border control already in place from mainland EU to ensure no illegals get into Ireland, as there is here from other EU countries. If not, why not?

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 9730120)

Of course there is

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas (Post 9730118)

Yes, surely there is some sort of border control already in place from mainland EU to ensure no illegals get into Ireland, as there is here from other EU countries. If not, why not?

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9730206)

But suppose we have a situation where the EU has let someone in and given them the right to travel but we don’t necessarily want them in GB.Once they’ve legally traveled to Ireland they can just waltz over the border into Britain unchecked.Maybe not a likely situation but a possible one.We may disagree on whether a person should be allowed in.

Originally Posted by Candy Cane (Post 9730211)

I would assume there will be new rules for EU nationals at some point though so they will need some sort of visa to enter Britain

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9730206)

But suppose we have a situation where the EU has let someone in and given them the right to travel but we don’t necessarily want them in GB.Once they’ve legally traveled to Ireland they can just waltz over the border into Britain unchecked.Maybe not a likely situation but a possible one.We may disagree on whether a person should be allowed in.

Originally Posted by Candy Cane (Post 9730211)

I would assume there will be new rules for EU nationals at some point though so they will need some sort of visa to enter Britain

Originally Posted by Toy Santa (Post 9730240)

This was sort of my point; that they wouldn't be illegally in the EU, I was talking mainly about the residents of other EU members states who (supposedly) want access to the UK and that Brexit was (supposedly) going to stop. They will have free movement within the EU still, therefore, they will be free to travel to and within Ireland... and if there is a soft border (by which I mean one you wouldn't even need to be smuggled over - one that you could just simply walk across, as is the case now) then they would have free access to NI too.



Making getting to the mainland tricky, sure, but if they simply stayed in NI then they would still be in the UK :think:. My guess here is that the majority of Brexit voters (i.e. the English) don't actually give a stuff if there are illegal EU migrants in NI - so long as they don't make it across the sea to the "real" UK :joker:.

Originally Posted by Toy Santa (Post 9730240)

This was sort of my point; that they wouldn't be illegally in the EU, I was talking mainly about the residents of other EU members states who (supposedly) want access to the UK and that Brexit was (supposedly) going to stop. They will have free movement within the EU still, therefore, they will be free to travel to and within Ireland... and if there is a soft border (by which I mean one you wouldn't even need to be smuggled over - one that you could just simply walk across, as is the case now) then they would have free access to NI too.



Making getting to the mainland tricky, sure, but if they simply stayed in NI then they would still be in the UK :think:. My guess here is that the majority of Brexit voters (i.e. the English) don't actually give a stuff if there are illegal EU migrants in NI - so long as they don't make it across the sea to the "real" UK :joker:.

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 9730278)

True but what can they do when they get there? they can't try to claim social welfare or they would be found to be illegal and they can't work legally either and they can't leave NI to get to Britain so is it really worth causing so much problems by insisting on a hard border?

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 9726669)

Cork is going for Independence anyway #thepeoplesrepublicofCork

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