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Marsh. 08-12-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9730116)
In my working role I’m expected to behave professionally on all levels. There is though, always a certain level of sexuality that goes on. People flirt, though not openly and certainly not to the point of awkwardness. People over dress for meetings and women play the weak and vulnerable whilst men play the heroic masculine male from time to time. Everyone though, knows not to cross the line. We all have a job to do and we all have deadlines we are expected to meet.

We have this one gay guy who works in our team. Not so long ago, when he started, you wouldn’t of known his sexual preference. He was quiet, diligent and friendly. A couple of months ago he told us all he was gay and that was well accepted by everyone. Shortly after that his voice went up a couple of pitches and he started using camp mannerisms, that was fine too, though the sudden change was a little amusing. He’s now a complete diva and makes constant sexual innuendos towards some of the guys and puts on this silly feigned act of fainting when he sees a paramedic or police officer. He’s become this extrovert performer and its starting to feel like we have this loud, rude, crude drag queen disrupting and causing chaos within the ranks. Nobody says anything because nobody wants to be accused of being homophobic.

This got me thinking. Hetrosexual men and women know not to behave in a sexual manner within the workplace. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but we all know the potential consequences. Camp men don’t appear to have those same rules and when they start acting up, like this guy above, nobody has a clue how to handle them.

Any thoughts greatly appreciated!

You state that the men and women flirt with one another, I'd put "feigned act of fainting" in the "banter/flirting" bracket and don't see how it's anymore or less acting in a "sexual manner" than any other forms of flirting? Unless it's crossing the line and he's putting his hands on people inappropriately or saying graphic things. :shrug:

Marsh. 08-12-2017 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa (Post 9730252)
The problem here is that you have someone who has been suppressing / altering their most basic personality in the workplace, and now has decided to be more open, which will have been a weight off his shoulders and allowed him to be more himself. The problem is, he has thus far been "faking" his work persona (everyone has one) and so now has no idea how to be himself, but also in "work mode"... and has gone way past the "balance point" into being inappropriate for work.

Honestly I would say as it was only a couple of months ago, it's worth giving him time to find that balance before making it "a thing"... if it carries on then it can be mentioned sensitively.

He may just be shy around new people and once he gets to know them/gets comfortable he opens up. Not necessarily faking a personality.

Marsh. 08-12-2017 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 (Post 9730320)
Why did he need to tell anyone at work who he likes to have sex with?

People actually chat in workplaces. He may have mentioned a boyfriend or something which led the others to realise his sexuality.

thesheriff443 08-12-2017 03:55 PM

To be honest I would rather have some like this to work with than some boring person who lives for the job.

Wont be long before he has been made to feel silly and turns into mixture of tears and snot. Job done.

Livia 08-12-2017 04:00 PM

I'd have a quiet chat with him, tell him his work is appreciated and his colleagues enjoy his sense of humour, but he needs to tone it down because he's being disruptive. Have a couple of examples ready of how he has been disruptive in the past and make sure they could not be construed as homophobic, but as unprofessional.

Crimson Dynamo 08-12-2017 04:29 PM

Id snaffle his PC and put some porn on there so if it kicks off you can sack him pronto

always good to put some management safeguards in place just in case the balloon goes up

Beso 08-12-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey (Post 9730639)
You state that the men and women flirt with one another, I'd put "feigned act of fainting" in the "banter/flirting" bracket and don't see how it's anymore or less acting in a "sexual manner" than any other forms of flirting? Unless it's crossing the line and he's putting his hands on people inappropriately or saying graphic things. :shrug:

But in the act of fainting he is saying "oh look at me, im sexually available to this stranger"

You dont want that when your eating your pieces.:nono:

Marsh. 08-12-2017 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling (Post 9730938)
But in the act of fainting he is saying "oh look at me, im sexually available to this stranger"

You dont want that when your eating your pieces.:nono:

No it's not, it's saying in an exaggerated and comical way "I find this person attractive"... like most forms of flirting.

It's probably OTT and unnecessary in the workplace, but it's no different to other flirting.

Brillopad 08-12-2017 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 9730198)
Well tbf Brillo, the reason why people are afraid to complain about stuff like this is because homophobia was (and still is although not anywhere near as badly) an issue. If weren't for "PC" in the work place homophobia could still be rampant

But PC has gone too far, the majority of people feel that way now.

DemolitionRed 08-12-2017 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9730664)
To be honest I would rather have some like this to work with than some boring person who lives for the job.

Wont be long before he has been made to feel silly and turns into mixture of tears and snot. Job done.

When it involves peoples health and even saving peoples lives its kind of important we take work life seriously.

Marsh. 08-12-2017 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9730977)
the majority of people feel that way now.

The majority of people don't feel that way now.

Beso 08-12-2017 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey (Post 9730970)
No it's not, it's saying in an exaggerated and comical way "I find this person attractive"... like most forms of flirting.

It's probably OTT and unnecessary in the workplace, but it's no different to other flirting.

The point of the thread is that its making people feel uncomfortable.

I guess it depends who is doing it though, you could look at it both ways...like if brenda on reception was winking and nodding at gemma in accounts when troy the postman came in...or if old bob and dirty des sat leering and drooling at eachother when brenda and gemma stand giggling and wiggling in thier tight skirts in front of them in the canteen....which is right which is wrong?...what side does this lad stand on...he does come across a little sleezy in his actions imo.

Brillopad 08-12-2017 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey (Post 9731019)
The majority of people don't feel that way now.

They do.

thesheriff443 08-12-2017 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9731011)
When it involves peoples health and even saving peoples lives its kind of important we take work life seriously.

You are complaining about his personality not his ability to do his job.

user104658 08-12-2017 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9730977)
But PC has gone too far, the majority of people feel that way now.

In SOME specific cases and on some issues it has gone a bit over the top, that doesn't mean people want to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" and reverse ALL of it to make homophobia etc. acceptable again. It's not "all or nothing"... You can't just say "Oh it's gone too far now, so we should just have NONE!"

Like... An obese person doesn't say "Oh my food intake has gone too far, I just won't eat at all now."

I mean, some do, but they end up very unwell don't they.

user104658 08-12-2017 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9731093)
You are complaining about his personality not his ability to do his job.

I agree with that to be fair; if it's not affecting his work or anyone else's work then it's not really an issue at all... People "not being too keen on it" isn't really a good enough reason to tell someone to tone themselves down.

If it does affect productivity in some way then it's fair enough to say something on those grounds, so long as it's explained how / why it affects the company.

Marsh. 08-12-2017 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9731078)
They do.

Prove it.

Marsh. 08-12-2017 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by santasingsadingaling (Post 9731028)
The point of the thread is that its making people feel uncomfortable.

No sh*t Sherlock.

My point is that some people not being comfortable or keen on it doesn't automatically make his behaviour unacceptable.

Personality clashes happen all the time doesn't mean anyone is breaking code of conduct or crossing the line.

However, in this case, it seems to be more than one particular thing so it's hard to judge without seeing for ourselves really.

DemolitionRed 08-12-2017 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9731093)
You are complaining about his personality not his ability to do his job.

No, I'm complaining about his personality hampering other peoples ability to do their job.

Tom4784 08-12-2017 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9731078)
They do.

Based on what exactly? Not everyone in the world thinks like you do.

The world is becoming more inclusive, not less.

Cherie 08-12-2017 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey (Post 9730970)
No it's not, it's saying in an exaggerated and comical way "I find this person attractive"... like most forms of flirting.

It's probably OTT and unnecessary in the workplace, but it's no different to other flirting.

If a female feigned fainting when a male walked in, would you find that acceptable :umm2: it's a work place not the local am dram society

I worry for anyone who is in a professional environment who feels that is acceptable :laugh:

Cherie 08-12-2017 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9731093)
You are complaining about his personality not his ability to do his job.

No DM is saying his actions are unprofessional which seems to be the case

Marsh. 08-12-2017 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Candy Cane (Post 9731439)
If a female feigned fainting when a male walked in, would you find that acceptable :umm2: it's a work place not the local am dram society

I worry for anyone who is in a professional environment who feels that is acceptable :laugh:

Well, as I said, unless he's literally throwing himself down on the floor and causing a scene that embarrasses someone I don't see how it's an issue.
It sounds like a daft hand to the head or something when someone good looking is around.

In the OP he states there's lots of banter and "flirting". I would put this in the same bracket as "banter and flirting" unless he's actively pestering someone in particular/intruding their personal space/being overtly graphic or sexual.

As it is, I don't see why it should be classed as an "inappropriate sexual manner" and other flirting is not.

But, as I also said, if it goes beyond those kind of instances (which it sounds like) then it's a problem.

Brillopad 09-12-2017 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9731306)
Based on what exactly? Not everyone in the world thinks like you do.

The world is becoming more inclusive, not less.

Not more inclusive of PC madness such as any man having the right to self-identify as a woman and freely use the female bathrooms over and above the right of actual women born women having the right to object.

Apart from anything else there is a clear safety issue there which is conveniently being overlooked in all the PC madness and so-called inclusiveness. Inclusive does not mean giving certain groups special treatment and making excuses for them as you seem to have done in this thread.

PC will eventually hang itself with its constant demands because it just keeps pushing and pushing to ridiculous extremes. Give them an inch and they take a mile.

DemolitionRed 09-12-2017 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9731761)
Not more inclusive of PC madness such as any man having the right to self-identify as a woman and freely use the female bathrooms over and above the right of actual women born women having the right to object.

Apart from anything else there is a clear safety issue there which is conveniently being overlooked in all the PC madness and so-called inclusiveness.

PC will eventually hang itself with its constant demands because it just keeps pushing and pushing to ridiculous extremes. Give them an inch and they take a mile.

On the other hand it will be judged by some, as it has been on here, to be overly PC to make a thing of this. Some say we should ignore it... its just a bit of fun!

It of course will be dealt with but how its dealt with was my question. I don't want this guy to get sacked. Hell, I don't even want him to get a written warning (though some of the team want him gone) because when he puts his mind to it, he's good at his job and could be a real asset to the team. I believe there are better and more subtle ways to get this guy to consider and think about his actions than going at him with a bulldozer. PC in a case like this helps everyone because it better resolves things. If it doesn't, thats another matter.


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