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It is not as black and white as you make out and is not just about providing for those with less. There are many aspects of politics to think about including as to which party won't completely devastate our futures, increase public debt and damage the long-term economy, not just the short-term. Labour have no better a history than the Tories in many respects so stop implying the man has no faults and is some kind of second-coming - to believe that really is a mental illness. |
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There would be vote upon vote, he would have to have the backing of both his cabinet and the rest of parliament... it's never going to happen so again it's a pointless misnomer to suggest it as a viable reason not to have him as PM. |
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Where on the forum is there any indication to a 'hatred of the rich' and why have you brought this into the debate, are you suggesting that those who become rich by means of corrupt activity shouldn't be held to account?... If you believe in the wisdom of crowds then you will be interested in the views of the 500,000+ Labour members then perhaps? If you choose to live in Trumpville then fair play to you I hear Ms hopkins has plans to move there too, there of course is no questioning of his personal integrity. |
What's dangerous is any govt of any persuasion,hammering the weakest in any society including sick and disabled people.
Such as this vile govt has been allowed to get away with for over 7 years now. That's a real danger to not only decent democracy but to people totally unable to have any influence or the strength to stand up for themselves. There is no hatred of the rich from me,I am on the left now of politics. That's an old jibe that's been used for decades,it's absolute rubbish. However in any decent society,it should be the strongest backs that carry most of the load needed. That's what the left advocate and it's a far more decent hope than the cruel heartlessness being allowed to be played out now,by this hardline lot leading govt.now. |
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Of course nobody knows what kind of leader he will be nobody can but at this point in time he appears to be offering what many in the country want, he has a viable manifesto and a mandate that's credible ...it's more than adequate. There is nothing 'dodgy' about him, the media had dug and dug and the worst they've come up with is him attending a rally being manhandled by police officers, nothing more. He has no affiliations to any terrorist organisations such is the implication. Are you aware if the increase in public debt over the period of the last two parliaments? It is very much about those with less as it is those who are bearing the brunt of these austerity measures. Where will be the burden of the £200 billion to be creamed from the taxpayer fall would you say? There is no mental illness here, I'm under no illusion that 'new labour' were faultless or there won't be difficult decisions to be made under a Corbyn govt however I need to borrow those rose tinted glasses of yours to see any merit in the May govt, as far as I can see she has led a merry band of incompetents. Every single minister has some skeleton or scandal in their past/present, for me at this stage they're only aim is to siphon off as much money offshore to their pals as possible... They know they're position is untenable so have chosen to bleed the country dry prior to 2020. |
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Just keep telling yourself it's all propaganda against the poor old dear and sleep well at night. |
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Do you think the Tories are doing a good job? Should we be bringing back the likes of Blair and New Labour? What's your views on our chosen political party in the here and now? presumably you've done as much research on the Cameron and May as you have on Corbyn. |
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My chosen political party in N. Ireland is the SDLP (the Social Democratic and Labour Party) and always has been (my Dad's party). My uncle was Alliance. I know a lot personally about Corbyn, I wish to God I didn't - May and Cameron, as much as anyone does about them personally I suppose. Do I think the Tory's are doing a good job? No. Do I think Labour under Corbyn would do better? Hell no. |
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This is the third time in our rare discourses that you have slipped Bloody Sunday into the equation and it comes across as an excuse for the thousands of deaths caused by the IRA. Why do you keep referring to Bloody Sunday and never ever mention the thousands of deaths in the following years? I have wondered for some time if you have the same sympathies as Corbyn....which may be one of the reasons why you support someone so unproven with such blindness and passion. |
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I mean... I'm not saying that you DON'T have information that others aren't aware of; but you can't keep using that to back up your arguments if you won't (or can't, for whatever reason) actually disclose what it is that you claim to know. |
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I have posted what I can disclose and that I KNOW, that he was hand in glove with the IRA, he was a strong supporter and enabler, that he had nothing whatsoever to do with the peace process, quite the contrary, and it isn't believed. But I'll continue to refute any references to his non - involvement and the nonsense that he played a big part in the peace process when I see them. I realise I'm posting mostly to make ME feel better, and to feel I am doing something, anything, for those who were affected by him...and I'll continue to do so. |
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To be fair jet, if it's any consolation, your posts (and looking into them) has been part of leading me to the conclusion that Corbyn is definitely not the answer. While I can't completely jump on board with the idea that he's a full-blooded terrorist sympathiser (I feel more likely he'll disingenuously support a lot of things to further various agendae), I do appreciate that he certainly isn't any BETTER than other mainstream UK politicians. He's developed a level of smugness that doesn't fit with the persona he's trying to project, at all, and therefore I can only imagine that most of what he says on any subject needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Coming from the centre faction of Labour - Progress - momentum are very loud and I've been berated loads of times for saying I supported Liz Kendall then Owen Smith for Labour leader.
It's sad to see what's becoming of my party. |
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I keep reiterating the Bloody Sunday murder of innocents, as that's what it was of course in the hope that you will see that whatever sins came before he is not party to them nor does he have blood on his hands....Unlike the govt of the day, now you can gaslight all you like but the fact remains that we were up to our neck in it well before any involvement from Corbyn, where's the 'sympathy for them? Terrorism isn't something that just happens... there were years of murder, injustice, false imprisonment, marginalisation and misinformation which led to factions on both sides forming. It's impossible to just jump to a point in history and start tub thumping... you have to look at the picture as a whole and assess accountability. Please stop with your irrational accusations please and attempt to maintain a little objectivity here. 'In all 19 people were killed in 1969, 14 of them civilians. They included a nine-year-old schoolboy, struck by a police bullet as he lay in his bedroom. An Irish Republican Army (IRA) member died in a car crash and a teenage member of the Fianna, the IRA’s junior wing, was shot by loyalists. A member of the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) was killed by his own bomb - just one of many paramilitaries to die accidental deaths. The first Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) officer killed was shot on the Shankill Road by the UVF. Each death was a terrible event for family, friends and neighbours. Within a short period, events would dictate a pattern of conflict spanning decades. There were phases to the bloodshed. British Home Secretary Reginald Maudling declared that he would settle for an "acceptable level of violence" at the start of 1971, but within a year the introduction of internment (imprisonment without trial) and the events of Bloody Sunday served to recruit large numbers of young nationalists into republican paramilitary groups. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/topics/troubles_violence |
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See,I've gone the other way. A staunch Labour supporter because I want more and better social justice. So my right wing days are gone,especially with this truly awful uncompromising lot in govt now. However, I was not an advocate of Corbyn,I felt it a mistake electing hin leader and I feared for the party. However over time I have come round to him more. He has brought policies back to Labour which firstly no one thought any leader would dare. However again,as I found canvassing in June,people like the policies,they want them too. While still holding reservations on Corbyn myself and indeed as do the people I talked to in June. One thing came across more,people who even have reservations on Corbyn,do believe he believes in the policies he advocates. They,and indeed I do too,really believe he would deliver those policies. It amazed me the large and it seems ever growing number if the younger new voters, who want his policies too. So I think the wishful thinking Corbyn is going to go away is going to now lead to disappointment to said people. With over half a million membership and Labour so strong on the ground now and the Cons estimated to be at least under 100,000 membership,possibly more like only 80,000. Corbyn has in his way,helped polarise politics again between the 2 parties again. The choice is vastly different,his is the vision it seems the newer generation of voters want and they are ever growing now too. So it's sad for me to see you pull back TS,as your past arguments especially on the cruelty and wrongs of this govt,all unchanged and still there,we're in my view strong and valid ones. However this is democracy,I turned my back on the Cons, due to the endless heartless policies. Equally you have altered your position now. For me however,it's about fair and just policies,social justice and reaching out. None of which I see in this PM governnents policies. Which seem created to bring down further, those already down anyway and to keep them there. Under the daft electoral system we have,there can only be a CON led govt or a LAB led govt. I know,regardless of leader,which one I prefer and think the Country needs too now. |
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