Not really

You sound exactly like India now :rolleyes: .

he was a he before his operation?

You mean "she" was. And actually, no, you are incorrect, she has always been a woman and it is very disrespectful to misgender a transgender person after their transition, even when talking about their pre-op past.

No what I meant was chuff was talking about when she was a male newsreader and called herself a he which was before her operation when she turned into a woman

She called herself a he then too

Just because she used to call herself a "he" before she came out and transitioned doesn't mean it's fine to call her a "he" now.

that makes no sense, if you are speaking about their lives pre op you would refer to them as to whatever gender they were before the op? and how is that disrespectful

of course not but when referring to him in his newsreading days as Jonathan Willoughby it would be silly to call him a her :shrug:

You cant now go back and say "oh do you remember that woman who read the news what was she called, oh yeah Jonathan Willoughby?

because it would be untrue

That's what I was trying to say as well , nevermind things get taken the wrong way on here :rolleyes: .

It is not that hard to say "her in her news reading days" and say "she used to live as a man". Whatever I cba arguing about this anymore so bye

Stop nit picking fgs

And your evidence for this as a straight woman is ?

Pretty sure we've gone off topic now :facepalm:

:joker:

She WAS a he before she had the op

Can we get back to NHS funding these type of operations please

Here we go round the Mulberry bush

Gender reassignment is also medical (it's a treatment for gender dysphoria) so I can't really vote in the poll.

I think what a lot of people don't realise is that reassignment surgery isn't actually meant to be a cure for anything, it's done to reduce the dysphoria that a trans person feels to make their lives easier (it can be extremely debilitating for some people), but yeah it doesn't mean they are automatically 'cured'/happy/no longer experience problems. And as well as it being about how they view themselves it's also about how other people treat them, whether they 'pass' or not most people are respectful enough to treat them as the gender they present, which is why misgendering can cause problems for some of them and heighten their dysphoria.
And if you're looking for something physically diagnosible you're not going to find it, it's about the 'feeling' that trans people have. You're either going to have to accept that it exists without hard evidence, or I guess just assume that they're all making it up, up to you really, but knowing trans people, as well as considering what they go through not only in terms of actual treatment but the impact on their lives as well, I know where I stand on it.

Sorry Greg but that is bs.

Someone pre-op is a man.

I listened to an interview with Caitlyn Jenner the other night and she referred to her former self as "he" so now you're just trying to stir trouble.

Like I said we've gone off topic :joker:

And she is now a she and that is what SHE should be referred as

Anyway, I think that life threatening procedures and treatments should be implemented before anything else. However, I do think gender reassignment should also be high up on the priority list as it's for a medical condition like anything else. But like people have been saying all series, you wouldn't have a cancer doctor/ward etc dealing with gender reassignment since that is a plastic surgeon's job I believe.

sorry, but you cant re-write the past

Maybe gays are. But transsexuals are not gays. Gay and transsexual are not related. You have proved India’s point about how the grouping of LGBT confuses.

so we should stop saying LGBTQI?