Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9929737)

On the whole I would agree - but referring to those that don’t as ignorant is not the way to go either. Disagreement is not necessarily either malice or ignorance.

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929747)

Well tough beans hon gays have to do it all the time. Go in a private cubicle if it bothers you that much. And anyway, I doubt a pre-op trans woman who hates all of her male features is just going to casually have her dick flopping about for the world to see in a changing room, that is if she even has the courage to use the correct changing rooms for her gender identity, which usually doesn't happen until post-op.

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929747)

Well tough beans hon gays have to do it all the time. Go in a private cubicle if it bothers you that much. And anyway, I doubt a pre-op trans woman who hates all of her male features is just going to casually have her dick flopping about for the world to see in a changing room, that is if she even has the courage to use the correct changing rooms for her gender identity, which usually doesn't happen until post-op.

Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9929759)

Yeah, "Tough beans" is the exact mentality that women have had to put up with for numerous years and denying us our privacy is just yet another step backwards.

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929763)

I might feel uncomfortable if an old obese wrinkly man struts around changing room naked but I would just try and and use a private cubicle in future rather than constantly moaning and trying to ban old wrinkly men from changing rooms

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929762)

How is it denying your privacy. No one is forced to use a public changing room. The clue is in the name - public. And if a trans woman wants to use the correct room that is her right.

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929763)

I might feel uncomfortable if an old obese smelly wrinkly man was in the same changing room as me but I would just try and and use a private cubicle in future rather than constantly moaning and trying to ban old wrinkly men from changing rooms

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9929770)

Why are your agephobic, sizephobic comments acceptable?

You can't crow about rights while making offensive remarks about the physical appearance of others.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9929770)

Why are your agephobic, sizephobic comments acceptable?

You can't crow about rights while making offensive remarks about the physical appearance of others.

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929762)

How is it denying your privacy. No one is forced to use a public changing room. The clue is in the name - public. And if a trans woman wants to use the correct room that is her right.

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929747)

Well tough beans hon gays have to do it all the time. Go in a private cubicle if it bothers you that much. And anyway, I doubt a pre-op trans woman who hates all of her male features is just going to casually have her dick flopping about for the world to see in a changing room, that is if she even has the courage to use the correct changing rooms for her gender identity, which usually doesn't happen until post-op.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9929490)

It sounds to me like the original tweet was probably referring to that labour mess where a trans person who hadn't go through the transition was made Women's officer which is quite ridiculous. Post op, I could understand that calling them a man in a dress is transphobic but if you haven't started transitioning then the term 'man in a dress' is quite....well....factual?

The trans community is cannabilising itself by attacking anyone and everyone that makes a mistake or says something ignorant whether or not the ignorance is innocent or not, people are just gonna push back against trans rights and such if it continues. People like the journalist quoted above by Marsh need to realise that you don't win hearts and minds by attacking people until they do what you say. Gay rights have come as far as they have, not through the gays attacking anyone and everyone but through education and understanding over the generations. in most countries where gay rights have been written into law, it wouldn't have been enough for just the gays to demand it, it's the allies that have helped push Gay Rights acts into law. Allies are vital and you don't create allies and dispel ignorance by screaming at people to do what you say.

Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9929773)

And what will become of it, if any man is allowed to enter a woman-only space should they wake up in the morning and decide that they would like to identify as female?

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929781)

I think their gender should be legally changed first in order to weed out any potential pervs. But at the end of the day, no one is stopping anyone from entering any room they like. That's a risk we all have to take every day. It's not like there's bouncers outside bathroom doors. There's a risk that you will get struck by lightening after leaving your house and walking down the street. However, the chances of that happening, much like a creep dressing up as a woman and pretending to be trans to perv on women in a changing room, are extremely unlikely. I think the trans debate should focus on the fact that 45% of trans youth attempt suicide, rather than these ridiculous hypothetical bathroom scenarios with no basis.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9929575)

and no trans dementors in her books?

a little too convenient in my book

vile hate filled woman

:bored:

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929781)

I think their gender should be legally changed first in order to weed out any potential pervs. But at the end of the day, no one is stopping anyone from entering any room they like. That's a risk we all have to take every day. It's not like there's bouncers outside bathroom doors. There's a risk that you will get struck by lightening after leaving your house and walking down the street. However, the chances of that happening, much like a creep dressing up as a woman and pretending to be trans to perv on women in a changing room, are extremely unlikely. I think the trans debate should focus on the fact that 45% of trans youth attempt suicide, rather than these ridiculous hypothetical bathroom scenarios with no basis.

Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 9929788)

Dobby was trans

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9929791)

I know you probably won't read, but others might.
https://www.transgendertrend.com/sto...ide-rate-mean/

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9929796)

Which evidence would this be?

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929799)

LT made a thread about it


https://www.biospace.com/article/new...nder-identity/

Originally Posted by Greg! (Post 9929762)

How is it denying your privacy. No one is forced to use a public changing room. The clue is in the name - public. And if a trans woman wants to use the correct room that is her right.