I think two dads or two moms would fit the bill fine, and evidently a mom and a grandmother can be perfect in some cases :)

Chill yer beans. Should I have thrown in a HASHTAG NOT ALL to make it clear that it doesn't refer to every single case? The "single girls" thing was just repeating what the member I quoted had said, using their own example.

Sure there were complaints, but if knife crime has risen since stop and search was ended, then perhaps the complaints should have been filed under B for Bin.

We still have stop and search police patrolling London.

The Mayor has been very vocal about these things for some time. This article was written in January https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8152371.html and this one was written a few days ago: https://news.sky.com/story/man-in-hi...bbing-11317084

He's been grappling with the government for some time about the £millions removed from the police budget but it appears the government lack interest and won't even give him an audience. The major can't do this all on his own. The government need to recognize the problem and assist him in finding solutions.

May has dropped 21,500 police officers in the UK since 2010 That's one in four in places like Hackney and includes cuts of 1,157 armed police officers in London. She argues, there is no direct link between the number of officers and the level of crime but contradicted that statement when she bussed in hundreds of army personnel during the terrorist troubles.
The Metropolitan police have also been severely hit by lack of government funding. According to the institute of fiscal spending, central government spending on police has dropped by 14 percent.

Even with last the last election promise of £143 million extra police budget for an extra 1,500 armed police, figures show that money only funds an extra 1,000 officers and that doesn't even cover the decline in armed police since 2010

To be fair, there's a slight difference between knife crime and homegrown domestic terrorism.

Yes there is but do you think more police officers are needed in certain parts of London?
Do you believe the government needs to take more responsibility for this?

We should have more police on the streets, particularly in certain areas of East and South London, with stop and search powers, complaints be damned.

Maybe it’s about time we blamed the actual people committing the violence and using knives before trying to use it as an excuse to constantly blame government funding.

There is something very wrong when certain groups of young people think they can go around killing and maiming people because they feel like it, they are angry with the world, they feel excluded, they have no money, they want respect, or for whatever other pathetic excuse they try to offer up in their defence. They are the biggest problem here!

This is a developed country with opportunities if people are prepared to make the effort. In one breath we are told there is nothing out there and no future and in the next people whine that we need thousands upon thousands of people from overseas to fill the jobs. Which is it?

Good point.

I haven't seen any evidence that the Mayor visited any of the communities where the stabbings are taking place, have you Red?

And how will that resolve the issue. Yes? we can all just use blame and do nothing or we can do something.

There you go, you just sorted out the problem all on your own. Well done you!!

Once again... sorted.

So any suggestions for trying to solve this problem?

Maybe it would be if people did not keep refusing to address the real problem rather than jumping on their political bandwagon at every opportunity and diverting attention away from the real issues.

So your answer is to get the government to spend more and more on policing crime, that comes from our taxes, rather than rooting out the rotten apples and dealing with them in the first place - not getting bogged down with ridiculous ‘human rights’ such as cell sizes and allowing dangerous criminals out on the streets rather than being put in a cell considered ‘too small’. Oh but we can’t have that - it is not PC.

I haven't read that he visited the places where the people where murdered but, much as I don't like Khan, he has been very vocal about rising crime in London. He brought about a significant increase in 'stop and search' in January of this year. He's targeted specific areas in London with extra policing and video cameras and he's heavily criticized central government for demanding the police prop up their spending with their council tax allowance.

Sadiq Khan has probably been the most pro-active contributor in all of this mess and so I refuse to hang draw and quarter him if he didn't visit the places where these people were murdered.

It's an area fraught with PC landmines. The majority of these stabbings are black on black crime and everyone's frightened to be the first to stick their head above the parapet. Something's got to be done, but all communities need to stand with the police on this, and I'm sure the black community want an end to the madness. I think the only way to tackle this kind of thing is more police, particularly black police, and much better schools in poorer areas. That means much more money into the Police and education than the Prime Minister is willing to give.

You don't think this is political?!?
Well then, lets let the people of this country sort it out. Lets leave the poor government alone and bring out the vigilantes.

It would be nice to bring it up to the same level it was in 2010. Do you disagree?
That comment clearly shows you don't understand how taxes work.
How do they do that without extra policing or are you blaming the police now?
Well like it or not Brillo, Human Rights is here to stay. As for your little rant about cells being too small, what's that got to do with rising crime?

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You mean the Human Rights Act, rushed through parliament for Cherie Blair by her old man. Any idea how much money the Blairs have made out of that Act? And it's been used ever since in this country to uphold the rights of murderers, paedos and various other scumbags who only seem to understand the rights of the human when it applies to them. If it wasn't so abused, it wouldn't be so ridiculed.

It has everything to do with it if we continue allowing known foreign criminals and murderers absconding from justice in their own counties to seek safe haven here. Then instead of locking up such dangerous men we release them to commit crimes in our country and pose a considerable threat to others because a British judge ruled our prisons were too over-crowded and cells too small to accommodate him comfortably. Do you really believe he will suddenly become a model citizen whilst in our country! He will undoubtedly need a lot of policing as will others who decide to follow his lead.

Realistic and reasonable human rights are here to stay, as they should be, but the ridiculous ones such as those mentioned above can be discarded once we leave the EU along with such criminals themselves who we would not have to have here in the first place.

And there was me believing lawyers spent their careers enforcing human rights!!

So lets look at The Human Rights Act. An act that had to conform with EU legislation. Clearly this terrible act is not all to do with criminals.

The right to life.
The prohibition of torture and inhuman treatment.
Protection against slavery and forced labour.
The right to liberty and freedom unless you commit a criminal act.
The right to a fair trial and no punishment without law.
Respect for privacy and family life and the right to marry.
Freedom of thought, religion and belief.
Free speech and peaceful protest.
No discrimination.
Protection of property: protects against state interference with your possessions.
The right to an education.
The right to free elections.

The right to flea erections.

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;9949438]You don't think this is political?!?
Well then, lets let the people of this country sort it out. Lets leave the poor government alone and bring out the vigilantes.

^ I've read and re-read Brillo's post and NOWHERE in the excerpt which you have quoted and responded to above does it give you ANY justification for drawing the above conclusions which you have.*

It would be nice to bring it up to the same level it was in 2010. Do you disagree?

^ ^ Do you mean 2010, when the INEPT, UNSCRUPULOUS, SELF-SEEKING GLUTTONOUS PIGS which was the OUTGOING LABOUR Government had LIAM BYRNE leave a handwritten note to his successor saying:*

"‘Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam.’ "

Meaning the NATION'S COFFERS were EMPTY.*

The cavalier smug BASTARD.*

Do you mean THEN?*

WHEN the Coalition was faced with the impossible task of RUNNING this Labour-Decimated country WITH NO MONEY?*

Are you referring to the cuts in the Policing Budget which Cameron was FORCED to make as part of sweeping cutbacks to try to ARREST the damage LABOUR had wreaked upon the Country?*

That comment clearly shows you don't understand how taxes work.


^**You are FOREVER telling other intelligent, well-read, well-informed, and literate members WHAT you DECREE that they DON'T know and how MUCH you DO know - on just about EVERY subject under the Sun.*

So PLEASE do us ALL a favour and YOU PROVE to US just what you DO know instead of merely telling us that you know it.*

How do they do that without extra policing or are you blaming the police now?


^ Again, there is NOTHING in that part of Brillo's post which you have quoted and responded to which JUSTIFIES your conclusions above.

Well like it or not Brillo, Human Rights is here to stay. As for your little rant about cells being too small, what's that got to do with rising crime?

^ NO ONE objects to Human Rights, only THE MASSIVE ABUSE by UNSCRUPULOUS lawyers and SUBVERSIVE ORGANISATIONS which take advantage of the ludicrous drafting of the WORDING of the Act to allow MURDERERS and TERRORISTS and ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and FOREIGN CRIMINALS to ESCAPE PROPER JUSTICE for their CRIMES.*

And it is WITHOUT EXCEPTION bleeding-heart Liberal and Left Wing BRITISH SOFTIES which SUPPORT these subversives and thereby ALLOW the Act to be ABUSED.*

Think of the Lord Longford type as he was with Myra 'Nice Reformed Girl' Hyndley - You'll get the picture.

As for Brillo's point about the 'little cell' you have OBVIOUSLY MISSED that point.

If Political Correctness AND the abuse of THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACT did not make life so EASY for prisoners then the DETERRENT element of a Prison Sentence just MIGHT have some positive effect on RISING CRIME.

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:joker::joker::joker: I LURVE YOU you nutter. :laugh:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...report-reveals
Government cuts to the police “may have encouraged” violent offenders and have “likely contributed” to a rise in serious violent crime, leaked Home Office documents have revealed.

The documents cast doubt on claims by the home secretary, Amber Rudd, on Sunday that cuts to the police were not to blame for rising violence.

The Home Office said it would not comment on leaked documents.

hehe!

If there is cuts being made to the Police then sadly I do think that it makes it easier for people to commit crimes as they think that they'll get away with it sadly.

I think that we need more Prisons built as well so that criminals aren't being let out on the streets again because our Prisons are "full."