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Originally Posted by Ammi
(Post 10179049)
..but I don’t have an argument though, I wasn’t arguing or even debating ...when I read some of the thread I picked up something another poster said and your response to them..or a specific part of your response, I should say..?..in that you had no care for what others thought..?...and that’s what many individuals think but as a country...you do, I do etc...but as a country it is important what other countries think of us because that’s a countries whole standing...how they’re perceived internationally...because we all have allies and trade deals and agreements etc...those things might not be affected if others feel our countries may be going through politically messy times..but these things equally can effect...exactly as with what the American guy said in the radio interview about Jeremy Corbyn being a political leader of a main party...that we in the UK should be looking at ourselves in terms of any criticisms laid at US politics...it takes away all credibility ...so it really does matter what other countries think of us...those are thoughts I was having ...no argument at all, Maru...
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No argument here, Ammi.. just civil discussion.. :love:
I'd say the only things our "standing" effects is those things like trade deals as you say, economics, military/international policy, mitigating any externalities that may impact others outside our own soil (including ecologically)... things of self-interest really, because not every country even cares about its own externalities... a vast majority of that is political though. Both our cultures have a penchant for politics in our make-up, but beyond that, the details are usually lost on most folk...
2S as I understood it was talking about culture & national identity in a round-about introspective manner... and I said before, I think that America's influence on folk in the UK in that aspect is very limited. Just like in American cultural we're virtually isolated by what happens
politically in Europe short of the things like the price of gas at the pump... Individuals get bits and pieces by reading articles and becoming more aware of the world, but I think it takes more than that to leave a lasting imprint in culture very limited without there being issues created by a foreign country here on our own soil (such as Mexico's drug war, etc)...
But even then, I don't even know how they view themselves much less how they self-govern without searching and searching on my own and reading their media in that language. I'm limited geographically and to a larger extent than what most people tend to accept, I'm also limited
ideologically. Everything I read is going to be
compared to my own cultural POV... I would need a lot more than just some articles and a panel of folk bickering on CNN to reshape my world in order to see things any differently...
The difference from that which you and I were talking about and where I quoted 2S, we were focused on the importance of standing when shaping culture, not policy... that's why I said appreciation is not helpful... if it's about encouraging our culture to self-refine their culture and to "be better", then our conversations on the internet or having a radio host from the UK come over is going to have a very limited effect on how Americans see themselves and their own country... outside of their already
well-formed POV... despite having a shared culture in Western philosophy to boot that preaches all in this pack must "be better"... "be better", however, is still usually within the purview of local culture.
Anyway, I tend to separate the two because what happens in trade deals and militarily has marginal impact on cultural philosophy overall. as I tend to think politics is downstream from culture (still musing on that one)... most people here are barely aware of how any of that actually works and like the OP video says, we are vaguely aware of where a lot of these places are even on a map... and tbf, our understanding is even
worse than that, because we don't really even learn in school the sensitive dealings between individual countries... it's usually broken down only to a continental (yes, our understanding is that low resolution) and who was/wasn't throwing shade at who during da warz...
