Oh the old "I know more about this than you do" comment.

In this situation I think Kazanne actually does though.

Of course she does. And she's a mum too so she gets extra powers too.

I'm only saying she's spoken about it many times before and I think she actually knows the family. No need for the snarkiness.

it is hard on the family, but I'm on the side of the film makers
I doubt the film is trivial as somebody put it or that money was the main reason for making it. The subject is too grim to expect it'll be a commercial success imo. Maybe the director felt he had something to say or that it needed to be made? Idk
I think this is one of those cases that transcend a private tragedy and become a part of our common consciousness and history. And as such it is bound to register in culture and become a tale told and retold.

I know she has and I don't buy it.

Why would she lie about it? She's spoken about before there was even an argument where it would benefit her "side of the argument"

they are judging her on her grief, thats good enough for me.

well aint it a shame you cant discuss that on here.:bawling::bawling::bawling:

This was possibly the worst event I remember in Britain in my lifetime and thinking about it still gives me cold chills.
Couldn’t even imagine how his parents must’ve felt and still do.

Obviously the film maker was allowed to make this.BUT the total lack of respect or empathy in doing so without even asking the parents is astounding.Wtf was he/she thinking?
Was it all about the art?,Trying to make a name for themself or money?
Whatever it was doesn’t make it alright imo.
There’s some **** that you just don’t touch and to me that’s one of them.
I am usually totally against censorship and wouldn’t advocate for it but i think the filmmakers were out of line on this.

What?

The James Bulger case marked a changing time in Britain. Before he was abducted and murdered, people left their kids outside shops (not that Denise did that even) and were a little more relaxed about things, this case changed all that and people started to fear more for their children. I don't agree with the points that you have to be a parent to understand the loss, you may feel it more keenly as you go through "what if it happened to mine" scenario but I think most people can understand the absolute devastating heartbreaking and life changing effect losing a child would have.

I'm in two minds about the film - I have read both Ralph and Denise's books and they are heartbreaking but only come from one perspective. I would be interested to see how the murderers handled the police interviews, how the police themselves handled it and to see if there was any indication if they comprehended how horrifically evil the acts they committed that day were.

I suppose the worry is that the watcher would feel some sympathy for them if they are acted by children but the fact is, that is who committed the murder and we all know their ages at the time, I doubt many would feel any sympathy now - especially with the way Venables in particular has turned out after release. In some ways if their evilness is apparent, Denise's campaign to keep him locked up may gain even more support.

So I'm on the fence on this one - although it is fundamentally wrong that the family were not consulted about the film

That's true Niamh,I have no reason to lie ,what would I gain from that ? Disappointed Marsh would think I would lie over that.

I think she has every right to be upset that the film went ahead without being consulted first, but agree that the attention it's been given is primarily as a result of her reaction. On the other hand, I did sign the petition to have it removed from the shortlist and many other people did too. Her reaction was a conviction to have this film removed from the public eye and nothing more, imo. The media have pounced on it, as they do. I don't agree, at all, that she thrives off attention.

I can't imagine how much this situation has affected her life. The number of interviews, books, etc. could be due to the grief and personal blame she puts on herself. Almost like a way of constant reassurance to both herself and the public that she'll always be in a state of regret over what happened that day. It's her way of maintaining the slightest bit of closure.

There are some good docs on YT about it. I watched one ages ago with the police and the boys' solicitors talking about all the stuff you said you're interested in finding out about. You should have a look.


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Think it was this one

Yeah, you're totally not being dismissive....by ignoring what people are saying and dismissing their views based on whether or not they have kids.

On that at least, we agree.

Some of y'all are mean wow

It's her child's murder they made a film on and they didn't even consult her first? Of course she's gonna be pissed

You don't buy that Kaz knows the family, someone somewhere must know them, why not Kaz

Art isn't always pretty, it's not just a portrait you hang up in the living room but a reflection of humanity both good and bad. You can't just focus on the good things, you've got to take the good with the bad.

The family do have every right to be disgusted, everyone is entitled to their reactions but the truth is that the story doesn't belong to just them. People will always talk about Jamie Bulger because cases like that are rare, there are going to be TV shows and documentaries made about it for years to come and the best thing the family can do in cases like this is to just ignore it since speaking out has the same effect as promoting it and everyone is talking about the film now when before no one would have known it was a thing.

#justice4Kaz

#ibelievekaz

#metoo

When I first joined this site in 2009, I joined with an avatar of James in my profile, as I have always been a supporter of the family, as my mom is close to this case,some on here then started to question why I had a picture of a dead baby in my profile,I explained my feelings then and why ,some of the longer standing members may still remember, I took the picture down as some seem offended by it, but I have and always will be behind the Bulger family as they have been through a truly terrible time , and it's not a new thing with me I have been a supporter for years.