If I want to live in EU squalor, I will damn well live in EU squalor :fist:

Portugal shade?

nothing, i still like UK in terms of showbiz/entertainment (tv, music, movies)


also great tabloids to read dailymail, the sun better than our tabloids honestly


but the EU isn't as bad as some of the brexiteers say it is

what are say your 3 favourite things about the eu?

Being from the fishing city of Hull, I'm looking forward to having control of our fishing waters. Before we joined the EU my city was one of the biggest and best fishing ports in the world and our fishermen were known as weekend millionaires, now they just pick up a giro and our fishing industry is dead.

still think the over 40s are most tolerant, Niamh just scraping into that bracket last year

Except for the gays, women and people who don't happen to be white given how a lot of equal rights have come into effect relatively recently.

waaa

While I agree Crowder may be set in his ways, it's pretty rare when anyone makes a compelling argument.

I'm "right wing" on things like taxation and spending; I don't think wanting controlled immigration is right wing as it has pros and cons for both sides, especially as in my case it's mostly for keeping the building over green spaces low... I don't have particularly strong views on enough issues to be called right wing, so I just say I "lean right".

Y'mean like how they keep rejecting Trump's compromises?

You're surely aware that immigration and the need for population increase are unrelated, though? The level of population increase has to remain steady or the value of the economy will drop. There's no avoiding it. If we cancel all EU immigration and UK birth rates don't increase to compensate then we must allow increased net migration from elsewhere... there's no way around it... and no way around urban sprawl. Certainly not decreased immigration. In fact, migrants are LESS likely to populate low-density suburban residential areas and so arguably... allowing less EU movement could well increase the spread of urban areas into current green land.

Such as?

The deal to fund the government was agreed in December when both chambers voted for the same bill to fund the government until Feb without any wall funding. Just for emphasis, that was agreed and voted on, Trump said he would sign the bill and his aides were telling people he was moving away from the wall.

Unfortunately, Trump was then criticised by Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh for giving up on the wall so he went back on his word to sign it, and decided to take 800,000 people hostage until he got his way.

When the shutdown began, republicans held all 3 legislative branches of government (dems started on 3/1/19).

You don't get to take hostages and claim you're making a compromise. What happens next time Trump wants to do some crazy unnecessary **** and can't get his own way?

In 2013, both parties agreed upon a 46 billion dollar package for border security, including things like targeted barriers, drones, extra staffing etc, but it was the crazy freedom caucus in the republican house that prevented the deal happening.

Trump has been in office for 2 years, and has never kicked up a fuss about the wall (who's gonna pay for it?) before. He's not even making any compromises now, so dems have had nothing really to reject. The supposed daca deal was a sham packed with conservative wet dream policies, it wasn't a serious offer of compromise.

No-one (with a brain) says we shouldn't have any immigration. I just think it should be reduced to what we "need".

not just that, anything new really, full stop

That's fair enough but it still won't stop urban development on green land. Cutting it to zero wouldn't stop that.

I don't think that no houses should ever be built again, that'd be barmy! But obviously, more people=more houses, so I'd rather it be kept to a minimum.

Low skilled migrants aren't living in new-build houses on green land, though, urban sprawl of the middle classes out of cities is. And you specifically mentioned building on green land as reasoning for wanting fewer immigrants.