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bots 18-02-2019 10:54 AM

The common narrative is that all 7 left because they couldn't work with the current labour party, for whatever reason. They are also correct in that british politics does have to move forward because what we have now isn't working. It doesn't mean they have an answer, they are just highlighting a problem that everyone is aware of. People do want more choice than what is currently available. Whether that means the majority of MP's become independent or whatever, who knows, but it is high time things changed

user104658 18-02-2019 11:05 AM

The entire system needs changed to be quite honest, it's not just that the main parties are a shambles, the voting patterns and political leanings of the general population are simply diversifying to the point where "First Past The Post" is no longer fit for purpose. We need an entirely different electoral system that involves some variety of PR.

BBDodge 18-02-2019 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10449043)
Why doesn't Corbyn just go,he must know he is not a popular leader,Labour might do really well if he went.

Quite. He lost the last election. Doing less worse than expected doesn't make him a worthy leader.

Labour will lose the next election if he stays, no matter how big a mess the Tories make.

arista 18-02-2019 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBDodge (Post 10449128)
Quite. He lost the last election. Doing less worse than expected doesn't make him a worthy leader.

Labour will lose the next election if he stays, no matter how big a mess the Tories make.


Yes he lost the Last Election
but made the Conservatives
then had to buy the DUP 's help
as it was a close Hung Parliament.

Oliver_W 18-02-2019 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10449132)
Yes he lost the Last Election
but made the Conservatives
then had to buy the DUP 's help
as it was a close Hung Parliament.

There was a small window of time when Corbyn looked like a credible leader - if the snap election had been instant, Labour would have been wiped out. If it was held now (without the previous one having happened) they'd take a beating.

But somehow, Corbyn grew a shiny halo that just lasted long enough for the snap election to not totally suck for him.

arista 18-02-2019 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10449127)
The entire system needs changed to be quite honest, it's not just that the main parties are a shambles, the voting patterns and political leanings of the general population are simply diversifying to the point where "First Past The Post" is no longer fit for purpose. We need an entirely different electoral system that involves some variety of PR.


We had a Vote on that
Clegg set that up
It Failed.


The 7 MP's are not enough

This Helps the Conswervatives

arista 18-02-2019 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10449133)
There was a small window of time when Corbyn looked like a credible leader - if the snap election had been instant, Labour would have been wiped out. If it was held now (without the previous one having happened) they'd take a beating.

But somehow, Corbyn grew a shiny halo that just lasted long enough for the snap election to not totally suck for him.


SDP all over again
These 7 back benches - do not matter




[The Independent Group of MPs is supported by Gemini A Ltd a company limited by guarantee.

Registered address:
3rd Floor
1 Ashley Road
Altrincham
Cheshire
WA14 2DT
UK]


No London Office

user104658 18-02-2019 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10449133)
But somehow, Corbyn grew a shiny halo that just lasted long enough for the snap election to not totally suck for him.

I'm pretty sure that "somehow" was the Tory party being in incompetent chaos with constant infighting and bickering, and a leader fighting for something that she was campaigning against a year earlier. It's not really a mystery :joker:.

arista 18-02-2019 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10449123)
The common narrative is that all 7 left because they couldn't work with the current labour party, for whatever reason. They are also correct in that british politics does have to move forward because what we have now isn't working. It doesn't mean they have an answer, they are just highlighting a problem that everyone is aware of. People do want more choice than what is currently available. Whether that means the majority of MP's become independent or whatever, who knows, but it is high time things changed


Yes

I am looking forward to the
By Elections of all of them

Apart from 2
the rest are not known much.

arista 18-02-2019 11:40 AM

[Our economy is underperforming. Too many of us live in poverty, or struggle to make ends meet.]

Thats from the 7 MP's site
https://www.theindependent.group/

But its a Labour Line


They have no chance - Its a fecking farce
SDP all over again

arista 18-02-2019 01:06 PM

https://www.theindependent.group/donate/donate-1


Send your Money into these Losers
Starts at £5

arista 18-02-2019 01:10 PM

https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/s...20190218102646


Its like a UKIP start up,
only they are all 7 of them , Remoaners

bots 18-02-2019 01:15 PM

I'm getting the impression that Arista is not entirely happy with this breakaway .... it's very subtle, but it's there none the less :pipe2:

arista 18-02-2019 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10449226)
I'm getting the impression that Arista is not entirely happy with this breakaway .... it's very subtle, but it's there none the less :pipe2:


They are Pathetic
2017 Election
They all stood for Brexit.

I hate Chukka (New Labour)
as he was going to be a Leader
before Corbyn.
But was scared his White Wife
would leave him.
And then stood down



Also None of them are Brave enough for a By Election


https://theindependentgroup.ams3.cdn...roup_Gavin.jpg
This MP's Zone want a By Election
but he is one of the 7
and is Chicken

Crimson Dynamo 18-02-2019 01:31 PM

Only labour can be more unelectable than the current Tories

You couldn't make it up

arista 18-02-2019 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10449233)
Only labour can be more unelectable than the current Tories

You couldn't make it up


This is why loads of Labour MP's are angry
as they will be out of power , even longer

Crimson Dynamo 18-02-2019 01:49 PM

The problem Labour have
is they have Marxist as a leader

Period

user104658 18-02-2019 01:53 PM

Honestly I reckon if the still had rubbery faced Ed as leader they'd be flying right now. Being a bit weird eating a sandwich and having a bad PR team in general isn't looking so bad, considering.

bots 18-02-2019 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10449247)
Honestly I reckon if the still had rubbery faced Ed as leader they'd be flying right now. Being a bit weird eating a sandwich and having a bad PR team in general isn't looking so bad, considering.

i reckon if they had a banana in charge rather than Corbyn they would win an election

Northern Monkey 18-02-2019 02:17 PM

Good on em.

It was bound to happen.The current iteration of Labour don’t represent the values of many Labour voters.

Whether it takes off or not is another story.

I don’t think these seven would have done this on their own without having discussed it with other MP’s first.
There more than likely will be more to come.

Northern Monkey 18-02-2019 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10449247)
Honestly I reckon if the still had rubbery faced Ed as leader they'd be flying right now. Being a bit weird eating a sandwich and having a bad PR team in general isn't looking so bad, considering.

All is forgiven Ed!

arista 18-02-2019 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 10449261)
All is forgiven Ed!


No one liked him

They wanted his Brother.

arista 18-02-2019 02:24 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzsTnXZW0AEYhwD.jpg

and
a tweet Lewis Goodall LBC :
[Ian Dunt
‏Verified account @IanDunt
6h6 hours ago

If I was setting up a new centrist party I'd call it 'Feck The Lot Of You]


I changed a letter in the F word.

arista 18-02-2019 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10449245)
The problem Labour have
is they have Marxist as a leader

Period


Sure but he was Elected Twice

joeysteele 18-02-2019 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10449229)
They are Pathetic
2017 Election
They all stood for Brexit.

I hate Chukka (New Labour)
as he was going to be a Leader
before Corbyn.
But was scared his White Wife
would leave him.
And then stood down



Also None of them are Brave enough for a By Election


https://theindependentgroup.ams3.cdn...roup_Gavin.jpg
This MP's Zone want a By Election
but he is one of the 7
and is Chicken


All well said arista.


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