Only **** parents and teachers would need to resort to the threat of violent punishments to keep kids under control.

I dont remember anyone saying anything about violent punishment

Where is the proof that yelling at someone in a raised voice will foster any kind of discipline. Pretty sure research points to the opposite. Why would we want our educators to teach our children that yelling is how you get things done. It only demeans the person you are yelling at.

And of course parents are allowed to discipline their children. They aren't allowed to physically abuse them, or put them deliberately in danger but giving them consequences for their actions is discipline.

Lies

That and punishment that leads to their detriment are the only forms of disciple not allowed.

You make no sense Adam.

I'm a teacher, and I taught at two different schools in South Korea and now one in China. I can attest to this. I feel I've learned that some kids are more testing, and it's different for each student. The main differenc is that I had to report major offneses, diffuse offenses, or report recurring, minor offenses because if a native teacher had disciplined them for the same action, they'd potentially throw me under the bus by saying I don't do anything when they get caught. In a couple of cases, I had to report incidents to the director because the students couldn't verbally communicate well enough for me to get both sides of their story.

In the private school I taught in South Korea, you cant discipline students because these schools are ran by corporations and are ran like a business. If you discipline a student, they'll slander you to their prantes, who will then pull the kid out of the school in a heartbeat and the director would blame you for "costing them money". One major offense was when a girl, who was eight years old had asked me, "do you like a woman's" ..... and then pointed to her chest and then asked "do you like a woman's" ...... and then pointed to between her legs. I just had to tell the director to avoid her from doing this again.


At the international school in China, I just reasoned with one students. For instance, they plagarised an essay, so I had just told her that if she wants to be a doctor, if she does this in med school, she'll instantly get expelled and ruin her career before it would even begin. I did tell the director, who scolded her in Korean, until she went back to her desk in tears. I had another student who failed all of his classes, except Math where he had a C average. He legit told me that he doesn't care about his grades and in fact, he'd rather live in North Korea than study or do homework. Another student tells me that he just plays computer games until 3am in the morning, so that's where the parenting comes in.

In China, I'm at a public school, and I was given a list of things I can't do to discipline students, such as kick them out of the class or assign homework as a punishment. I'll communicate with the other Chinese English teachers for incidents. I do know that if students don't hand in their homework, Chinese teachers will remove the student's chair and make then stand for the entire day, which can be until over 5:00pm. Last week, a student placed two halves fo a ball in his shirt to make breasts, a classic. Just today, a few students looked at an English-Chinese dictionary and got fixated over the word, "castrate" and I had to stop three boys from picking up a smaller boy and proceeding to walk over to a five-story ledge.

My biggest problem in China is that I have 52 students per class, and nine different classes, so I'll never learn names.

It’s not a schools place to discipline children. I wouldn’t trust most of these teachers with drilling in facts about math nevermind instilling values and respect lol

I disciplined my children, my son and daughter discipline their children ,who is there to tell you can't? Its just an excuse from lazy parents who think its ok for their brats to do as they wish

What are the school meant to do then? You've got a child causing havoc, misbehaving, bullying, vandalising etc and the school do nothing, okay. But then they go home to a parent who doesnt really care what they've done and the child continues.

Whilst children are under the care and responsibility of schools, it's their job to give discipline. I'm not talking about any physical discipline like the cane, because that's absurd, but there are other ways to instil discipline.

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Worked in a school when all these BS rules came in ,one dinnertime 2 boys were kicking 7 bells out of each other,I went over and pulled them apart ,another member of staff came over and said "Oh dear ,did you put your hands on them ?" I said yes of course, they would have killed each other if I hadn't, she said "You can get the sack for doing that ,you have to talk them out of the fight "No way would they have stopped with me asking them to.......I left shortly after that ,I couldn't stand by and watch children hurt each other

When you say "discipline" I presume you mean hit because you are allowed discipline your kids :suspect: I find it unlikely that the only reason kids end up in gangs etc is because their parents don't hit them

Kids are totally different now than a few years back , lazy parents giving in to their kids every whim so they can go and have a fag and coffee with their mate or some peace and quiet , it has resulted in feral kids who have no respect for anything, they carry weapons , hang in gangs and bully people, and they just do not care as they know they wont be punished, I would also be happy for teachers punishing mine if they were disrespectful or naughty in school as long as they didn't hit them, kids need to know their boundries and too many today , don't.

When I was at primary school, the best teacher there had to retire when they stopped being able to use corporal punishment. She rarely did but the option was there and she ruled by fear, will seem alien now but when you were under threat of the shakermaker (she would hold you by the shoulders and shake you) you did as you were told :laugh:

I don't think schools should be able to physically discipline and as a parent I have never smacked my son BUT there is a genuine lack of respect from some kids now.....although I may just notice it more now I'm older and can the classic "in my day...." lines

So true !! we have lots of feral kids near me, out at all hours and up to no good while the mothers are on Facebook telling everyone what great parents they are, or at their mates trying out new gins !! Discipline starts and ends at home ( or should do ) and if their brat ends up a full time thug its the parents fault and no one elses

I do think everything is a bit too soft these days. Also I have in the past been 'told off' by our health visitor for raising my voice at the kids when they were being little twats (I didn't CALL them little twats)...apparently its 'emotional abuse' and you should never raise your voice. Erm. Sorry but if I never raised my voice at mine, they would never hear me, I almost HAVE to shout at times...

Edit. Have never got wrong for grounding, naughty step etc though, helath visitor actually recommended those kinds of punishments to me. But was a bit wishy washy saying 'positive reinforcement is better than negative'..which overall I agree with but positive does not always work and sometimes we resort to fave toys being taken away for a day or whatever.

I was at the epicentre of the big change in schools. When I was in primary school there was corporal punishment, when I went to senior school, it was finished. I saw the difference first hand.

In primary school the teachers ruled and the kids behaved, at senior school, the kids were crazy and the teachers used to run out of class crying.

I wouldnt be a teacher for a gold pig !

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You should write a book with your sayings Chuff, never heard of most of them :laugh:

I agree,some are hilarious :laugh: never heard of this one.

Something really does need to be done like, I have no idea what but its not my job to come up with solutions. As teachers are having a horrendous time of it, especially in senior schools. Kids just do not listen, as they know they cannot be punished.

Mind, there was no corporal punishment when I was at school, and we still would not have dared go on like some today do. I think todays behaviour is a mix between knowing teachers can't really do anything AND having parents that don't care. See when I got detentions, my parents went off it with me and punished me at home too. That doesn't seem to happen these days and parents seem unconcerned about how their kids go on. Theres the 'noone should tell off my kids but me' element too. Have had issues with a parent like that in a play area, this parent was sat watching their kid BITE my daughter, she kept trying to get away and this kid was chasing her. Damn right I told him he was horrible...oddly enough then the parent decided they could say something and came to try and blast ME for telling her kid to stop assaulting my (at the time) 3 year old!

It must be a Yorkshire saying :joker:

Yes you have that right Chuff,

Yeah actually alot of the problem is also parents not backing up the teacher and taking the kids side no matter what. If you, as a kid think you can get your teacher in trouble for giving out to you then there would be no fear of repercussions in school

The cane was brought up at one point.

I didn't take that post seriously

Yeah me saying ‘being back the cane’ definitely wasn’t a serious suggestion on my part