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Cherie 21-03-2019 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10483590)
I must say there is a certain irony about TM and her deal and the referendum

"its no good" says parliament

"wait let me try again" says may

"its no good" says parliament

"wait, look at it now, iv changed the font" says may

"its no good" says parliament

"wait, let me give a billion quid to the DUP, how about now? says may

"its no good" says parliament



"how about another referendum PM?" says the Great British Public


:omgno: says May - you had one, Brexit means Brexit, how dare you


:fan:
this about sums it up :laugh:

Twosugars 21-03-2019 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10483593)
Yes, I realise that you can leave one and remain in the other two. Was that your question?
then how come you interpret that people chose to leave all three? :shrug:

James 21-03-2019 12:48 PM
I don't think a second referendum bill would get through parliament, simply because too many MPs are in leave-voting constituencies, and they would be worried about losing their seats.

Nicky91 21-03-2019 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10483508)
Just agree to a deal and get on with it.
then you need a newer parliament first of all, cause this current one will never agree to a deal from their PM May :hehe:

Kazanne 21-03-2019 01:00 PM
7+ million people voted to leave so that is what should happen, it's only got so messy as ministers who want to stay are having tantrums everytime something is put on the table,they have to do what is right by us and not themselves.The country will be fine we have stood on our own two feet before and will do again.

Nicky91 21-03-2019 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10483643)
7+ million people voted to leave so that is what should happen, it's only got so messy as ministers who want to stay are having tantrums everytime something is put on the table,they have to do what is right by us and not themselves.The country will be fine we have stood on our own two feet before and will do again.
well i have more worries for shortage in food and medicine in UK with no deal brexit :worry:

The Slim Reaper 21-03-2019 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10483643)
7+ million people voted to leave so that is what should happen, it's only got so messy as ministers who want to stay are having tantrums everytime something is put on the table,they have to do what is right by us and not themselves.The country will be fine we have stood on our own two feet before and will do again.
Kaz that's not true. There are leavers that won't support the deal and remainers that will. It's not remainers that are to blame for this sorry mess, there is enough blame to go round.

Rob! 21-03-2019 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10483643)
7+ million people voted to leave so that is what should happen, it's only got so messy as ministers who want to stay are having tantrums everytime something is put on the table,they have to do what is right by us and not themselves.The country will be fine we have stood on our own two feet before and will do again.
And around 16m voted to remain. That is almost HALF the country. It is WRONG to just completely dismiss those people. There are changes that the Leave people, quite rightly want to see, but there are ways of doing that without throwing the country's future into risk and uncertainty.

Greg! 21-03-2019 01:23 PM
Revoke article 50. If the UK really is 'a union of equals' it should never have even been triggered in the first place since Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain.

chuff me dizzy 21-03-2019 01:33 PM
No deal for me

smudgie 21-03-2019 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10483583)
To be fair, I know a few leavers who changed their minds = mainly because they are so pissed off with the whole thing they think it would just be easier to stay in.

I voted remain, I still want to remain - but cannot be arsed with another 2 years of this. I do still believe if we leave with no deal we are in for a whole world of pain in the immediate aftermath and for a good few years but I want the whole debacle over.

Now, if you excuse me, I am off to stockpile toilet rolls and tinned tuna.


Think I beat you to it.
Cupboards are full to bursting.

I voted leave..and still want to leave.
No deal is ok by me.

Rob! 21-03-2019 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10483681)
No deal for me
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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 10483686)
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Think I beat you to it.
Cupboards are full to bursting.

I voted leave..and still want to leave.
No deal is ok by me.
So go on then. Explain it to us. Sell it. Why?

Northern Monkey 21-03-2019 01:45 PM
Reluctantly.
May’s deal.
It’s probably the least bad and most democratic option.

No deal - used to be my preferred option but our Parliament could not be trusted to take full advantage of it imo.

Second referendum - would cause more problems and there is no fair way to do it.It should also not even be considered an option until the result of the first one has been honoured.

Revoke Article 50 - What?? Lol

smudgie 21-03-2019 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 10483687)
So go on then. Explain it to us. Sell it. Why?
I don’t need to sell it, it’s already been sold.:hehe:

My reasons for wanting out outweighed any I had for staying in, I thought long and hard about it.
Didn’t believe the bull$hit from either sides campaigns, had nothing to do with the money saving on the side of the bus, had very little to do with free movement.
I would simply like us to make our own rules and abide by them.
I don’t yearn for the good old days either, my glasses are not rose coloured.

Northern Monkey 21-03-2019 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10483569)
Sack all our current mp's and get a new lot in that actually reflect the views of their constituents
:clap1:

The Slim Reaper 21-03-2019 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 10483694)
I don’t need to sell it, it’s already been sold.:hehe:

My reasons for wanting out outweighed any I had for staying in, I thought long and hard about it.
Didn’t believe the bull$hit from either sides campaigns, had nothing to do with the money saving on the side of the bus, had very little to do with free movement.
I would simply like us to make our own rules and abide by them.
I don’t yearn for the good old days either, my glasses are not rose coloured.
What rules would you like us to implement post brexit that we can't do now?

smudgie 21-03-2019 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10483699)
What rules would you like us to implement post brexit that we can't do now?
All and any.....particularly future rulings.
Free trading would be top of the list.
Hopefully we can still trade with Europe as well, beneficial to both sides.

The Slim Reaper 21-03-2019 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 10483703)
All and any.....particularly future rulings.
Free trading would be top of the list.
Hopefully we can still trade with Europe as well, beneficial to both sides.
Those bottom 2 we already have now and there is no way in hell we can leave the eu and get the same/better deals as an individual country.

I know that won't change your mind, but I'm just trying to provide some honesty about what's over the horizon.

No rules that you can think of at the moment?

bots 21-03-2019 02:10 PM
i was listening to someone that was anti brexit last night trying to say how bad it would be trading with a no deal. He quoted tariffs, standards etc. Being in the EU now, we already produce to the correct standards, and tariff wise we would win on some things, lose on others. It's not the end of the world by any imagination. MP's know this. It's all a game to them.

smudgie 21-03-2019 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10483709)
Those bottom 2 we already have now and there is no way in hell we can leave the eu and get the same/better deals as an individual country.

I know that won't change your mind, but I'm just trying to provide some honesty about what's over the horizon.

No rules that you can think of at the moment?
I know it’s not going to be easy, I have never thought differently.
Hopefully we can get back on our feet after a very short period.
I can’t see what good another referendum would do, May’s deal won’t get passed, whatever she comes up with, so I am left with the no deal option.:shrug:

bots 21-03-2019 02:27 PM
At this point Brexit is the only viable option that will let the country stop in fighting and move forward. A new ref or revoking article 50 wont solve anything, it will just prolong the agony.

No deal brexit, may be painful, but I would rather peoples energies were focused positively moving forward. May's deal is the best option available that stops all the crap now, followed by no deal. Revoking article 50 will extend this mess for years.

The Slim Reaper 21-03-2019 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10483722)
At this point Brexit is the only viable option that will let the country stop in fighting and move forward. A new ref or revoking article 50 wont solve anything, it will just prolong the agony.

No deal brexit, may be painful, but I would rather peoples energies were focused positively moving forward. May's deal is the best option available that stops all the crap now, followed by no deal. Revoking article 50 will extend this mess for years.
Whatever happens with brexit, the country is going to be divided for years and possibly decades, so expecting people to hop on board and deal with unnecessary pain because you want them to channel it into positivity won't work. I know from reading your posts that you're sincere and try to come from a good place, but it's naive of you to expect people at risk of losing their businesses etc to just get on with it.

The referendum meant that there will be no winners from this sorry mess.

chuff me dizzy 21-03-2019 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 10483687)
So go on then. Explain it to us. Sell it. Why?
I do not need to sell anything to anyone no more than your vote doesn't need explaining either ( are you old enough to vote ?) My vote, my choice ,my priorities

Tom4784 21-03-2019 03:15 PM
Get an extension and gauge whether the people want no deal or not via a referendum, if No deal loses then Parliament needs to go back to the drawing board and see if the deal can be negotiated. If that falls through again, have another referendum to decide if people want to stay or go and then go from there.

chuff me dizzy 21-03-2019 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10483756)
Get an extension and gauge whether the people want no deal or not via a referendum, if No deal loses then Parliament needs to go back to the drawing board and see if the deal can be negotiated. If that falls through again, have another referendum to decide if people want to stay or go and then go from there.
So therefore destroying democracy ?


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