Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10494832)

I've written about this before but when my Grandad died he promised if there was anything on the "other side", he would come back and tell me. I spent 6 months ****ting it after he died that he would be sat on my edge of my bed in the middle of the night.....but nothing.

Then when my mum was in the hospice about 24 hours before she died, the weirdest thing happened. She had been completely unresponsive for 2 days, breathing but no reaction to anything around her. She hadn't been with it for around a week but for 2 days there was nothing. However, she opened her eyes, looked into the corner.of the room, smiled and put her arms up as if she was hugging someone, she didn't look at any of us and as soon as her arms.met she was out of it again. One of the hospice nurses said similar things happen quite often with people near death and some say it's when previously passed loved ones come to "get" their spirits / souls, whatever.

Now I know.its probably some brain activity triggered by approaching death but I would love to think it was her dad coming to greet her. She died about 24 hours after that happened. My heart says there's something after, my head says there isn't.

TLDR : I'm on the fence

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10522987)

lets just deal with some science and facts that we all live our lives by and run the universe we live in

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 10522989)

Let’s have a bit of respect for people’s opinions going forward.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10522992)

people can believe any stuff they want but there already is a scientific answer and its one that the laws of science that run the universe are based on

now you can either accept them or think that they are all wrong and that some anecdote is right - entirely your choice of course :)

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 10523005)

What rigid dogmatists fail to understand is that nothing’s proven for an absolute fact. Nothing.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10523319)

Like I said earlier, just weeks after my husband died I was on a thread like this with people telling me to accept that when people die they just rot in the ground, with no thought to what those left behind go through. I mean, if that's what you believe, fine. But I'm so tired of people stating stuff as fact because a scientist said it. No one knows for sure, none of us will have a clue what happens until we shuffle off this mortal.... and that is the truth.

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 10523005)

What rigid dogmatists fail to understand is that nothing’s proven for an absolute fact. Nothing.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10523319)

Like I said earlier, just weeks after my husband died I was on a thread like this with people telling me to accept that when people die they just rot in the ground, with no thought to what those left behind go through. I mean, if that's what you believe, fine. But I'm so tired of people stating stuff as fact because a scientist said it. No one knows for sure, none of us will have a clue what happens until we shuffle off this mortal.... and that is the truth.

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10523351)

Where do ghosts fit into all this?

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10523351)

Where do ghosts fit into all this?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10523346)

Livia if someone came onto an unrelated thread and said those things to someone who had experienced recent loss, or worse came onto a thread about that loss to say things like "I don't think there's an afterlife sorry" then that would be reprehensible and awful. But... If it's a thread that's specifically about people's opinions on the afterlife (or lack of) then I don't think people can really be expected to share anything other than their genuine opinion on that topic; and it's inevitable that people will not always be in the place to be involved in or read that sort of discussion and should just avoid.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10523332)

Id rather listen to hundreds of years of peer reviewed scientific reasearch, research that has doubled life expentancy in the last 100 years and got us to the moon, than some book written 5000 years ago or an anecdote.

when people go into hospital they rely on science and human knowledge they dont get cured by bibles or praying, or a wise anecdote

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10523319)

Like I said earlier, just weeks after my husband died I was on a thread like this with people telling me to accept that when people die they just rot in the ground, with no thought to what those left behind go through. I mean, if that's what you believe, fine. But I'm so tired of people stating stuff as fact because a scientist said it. No one knows for sure, none of us will have a clue what happens until we shuffle off this mortal.... and that is the truth.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 10523394)

Absolutely right and very well said.

I don't think actually either that all Scientists would discount the possibility of something after death.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10523332)

Id rather listen to hundreds of years of peer reviewed scientific reasearch, research that has doubled life expentancy in the last 100 years and got us to the moon, than some book written 5000 years ago or an anecdote.

when people go into hospital they rely on science and human knowledge they dont get cured by bibles or praying, or a wise anecdote

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10523337)

There is no such thing as absolute fact, that much is true, the entire universe could (quite easily) be a dream or illusion.

However,

There being nonsuch thing as absolute certainty does not mean that all possibilities are assigned an equal share of probability. Which is something that I personally find a lot of specifically religious people (rather than openly spiritual people) fail to understand.

So whilst Christian heaven, reincarnation, or the idea that we all spring violently into another dimension via LT's butt hole are all theoretically possible, that doesn't make them probable, and in my opinion, any organised religious concept of afterlife is accurate is so highly improbable that it becomes functionally false.

The only viable (probable) answers are 1) there's simply nothing, or 2) it's something no one has thought of yet and that is likely beyond current human understanding completely.