It's very true, but black people don't educate the white people about this and when the white people try to understand, they get told where to go.

I hear black people dissing white people and so on and so on.

I'm not from the culture in UK or US, so i'm not part of it. In Holland, the black culture is very much different. Plus I am not THAT young anymore - 30+, so when I was young, the likes of 50 Cent etc were not around. Instead it was incredibly weak black messages in the 80's

You're not wrong there. The issue of blacks gettign away with the, ahem, N-word and other colours not getting away with it is the least of our worries though.

My views
 

First of all I think this is the biggest load of sh** I have ever seen. How sad, that humans can get offended by one word... how weak we really are. This is childish behaviour, and it reminds me of the school playground. "Miss, someone called me stupid". We are grown ups now, we should act more mature but we don't, we act like children. What happened to the saying we all teach our kids? "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?"... really.

Emily knew the rules and she broke them, thats clear. It's also clear that she didn't mean this to happen but what's done is done. I don't agree that she should of been booted from the house, Channel Four did this because it would be far easier than dealing with legal issues like last time. A warning in my opinion would of been more appropriate.

Big Brother is more to blame than Emily. Why on earth did Big Brother show this? 24 hour a day video and they selected this clip to put on the main show for the world to see. I expected Channel Four to handle it better than this. I am sure some people watched the live recordings when Emily said the N word but it wouldn't of caused much trouble because the majority of BB fans wouldn't of seen it. A few complaints wouldn't of harmed anyone.

Charlie didn't take offense to the word when it was said but she didn't help the issue either by keep going on about it all day. I feel that she wanted it to become a bigger issue than it should of been... and it worked. I believe if Charlie said what she said when the N word was spoken by Emily and then left it as that, nothing would of happened but she had to keep going on about it, she made it a big deal.

Like a viewer said on Big Brother's Big Mouth, Chris Moyles says what some will consider abusive behavior to homosexuals almost everyday on Radio to millions of viewers, why isn't this stopped?. We got black and white rappers using the N word in music all the time, why isn't this stopped?. I have some friends who use the term towards white and black people. It's not right that it is allowed to be used in some situations but not others.

It seems that it is acceptable to be black and racist but disgraceful to be white and racist. If a black person called a white person a racist remark on TV, nothing would happen.... and that is fact.

Although I applaud Channel 4 for taking swift and decisive action in the latest BB race row, I can't help but think that the hard-line they took on Emily was more about saving face after the celebrity Big Brother debacle, than dealing with the problem of racism in a calm and measured approach.

White people cannot ever truly understand what it feels like when a black person hears the word '******', but most well educated white people over a certain age can understand that it is a word that causes great offence. Heck, even the most embittered of racist people usually know that using that word in public is a big no no.

And herein lies the problem with Emily. At 19 years of age, she is a girl that has grown up in a Britain that is very different from how Britain was even 20 years ago. She has grown up in a country and a generation that is far more accepting and inclusive of other cultures.

Black comedians, rappers and characters in film use the word ****** freely (the more you use a word of this nature afterall, the more the word loses its power and its meaning in the original context). Southpark used the word 42 times in a recent episode, not to shock, but to highlight a positive message as to why the word can cause offence and why ignorance is not a reason we should be tolerant of its use, but neither is it a reason we should ban or overly censor its use.

Cut to 'Shaun of the Dead', arguably one of the best British comedies in recent history. In it you will see a scene where Nick Frosts jolly, lovable character greets Simon Pegg and others with the words "What's up my *******?". Should this have been censored because it may have caused offence to some of the audience? Or should it be taken in context? Certainly I don't remember anyone walking out of the cinema, shocked by the use of such a word. Nor do I remember the film getting any complaints for the scene.

Emily is guilty of ignorance, not of racism, something Channel 4 bosses are eager to point out. They were also eager to point out that they did not want to 'hang Emily out to dry' and that is why they felt it was important to air the whole 'event' in a specially extended programme. If they really had Emily's best interests at heart, I find it astonishing that she was awoken at 3.30 in the morning to be called to the Diary Room to give her side of the story. I think she was genuinely shocked when told she would be leaving the house immediately. Asking a barely coherent housemate to justify her case at 3.30am, only to then be shown the door smacks of panic on behalf of the BB bosses. They needed to act quickly, before the media got hold of the story and the whole thing spiralled out of control (again). So in the end, 'hanging her out to dry', is exactly what Channel 4 decided to do.

Should ignorance be forgiven? Stephen Amos, who later appearead on Big Brother's Big Mouth to discuss the incident, seems to think not. As did the majority of his peers, who applauded Channel 4 for taking the appropriate action. But it was interesting to note that several of the younger black people in the audience, believed that kicking her out for 'trying to be a gangster wannabe' was a little too harsh.

I think Amos is wrong, I think in this instance Emily's ignorance should not just be forgiven, I think it should be celebrated. Because if all she was naively trying to do was ingratiate herself with two fellow housemates that she saw as equals - irrespective of the colour of their skin - then I believe her generation has something to be proud of, because it means that people like Richard Pryor and Lenny Bruce have achieved exactly what they set out to do all those years ago, when they boldy walked out and first uttered the N word onstage.

I agree it's ridiculous.

YOu can be offensive by saying "Go and have intercourse with your mother!" yet if you say "****! I've bacnged my elbow!" then that is considered bad and get's censored.



Indeed. but Endemol won't miss a chance of mationwide publicity. By making the most of it and kicking EMily out they both get publicity to bnoost the ratings and are shown to be 'good eggs' by acting responsibly.

It's all about £££££££££££££ that's all. Otherwise it was nothing.









Charley makes everythig a big deal.

Again this is a big deal because of publicity £££££££££££££. The whle Jade-Shilpa thing was a publicity stunt.

Big Brother is a multi-million ££ business. Things happen for ££££. There is no such thing as reality TV. It's important to remember this while we are being entertained. :)

I don't think it was about publicity this time, I think in acting the way they did, they effectively killed the story dead, before the press could make too much of it. Which is a pity, because killing it dead by booting her out at 3.30am, didn't really give her much of a chance to apologise or give her side of the story.

Don't get me wrong, I think they would have liked to have milked it for everything it was worth (as they did with CBB), but this time it was more about covering their arses for when Ofcom came knocking, and protecting their sponsors.

I find it a joke how some many people are actually JUSTIFYING the use of one of the most offensive words you can think of. So what if black people use it? (Which, by the way they started using as a sign of pride against the people who discriminated against them) So what if she wasn't being malicious? You DON'T say that word, especially to a black girl. People in this topic are just being blinkered and ignorant, and need to actually do some research instead of justifying it with a silly argument.

The problem is it is being used by too many ill-informed people of all types. It is offensive or it isn't.

]BLACK PEOPLE SHOULDN\'T SAY IT
 

Source: Daily Mirror

I totally agree with that. Just don't say it fullstop.

It's a word that has a long history. As I've stated on other threads, I grew up hearing the word day in and day out and good luck to anyone who attempt to tell my mother to stop using the word. Trust me you'll need it.

It’s a word that has many meanings and the meanings have changed over the years. It used to be a word was used by white slave masters that derived from the word Negro. Over the years it has developed to a kind of black person who is despised by blacks and whites.

I have white friends who freely use the word in front of me. I also have white friends who refuse to use the word in front of me. It's their decision but due to that fact that I've explained the meaning and told them the impact of the word they have decided it best to abstain. Personally, I don't mind. I do, however, have white friends who will use the word in front of me but know not to use the word in front of a black person they do not know as well. This word is THAT sensitive.

My advice to white people is don’t use the word unless you have express permission to use it. It's a very contentious issue.

i think this is stupid if charley had said something racist to emily and had been kicked out noone would cared. and by the way n**** is not an word only used in the past by white people to offend black people. my cousin was called a n***** last week by a white man on the bus after an arugement. please stop defending emily what is their to defend. on big mouth everybody said it was wrong. why can't some of you. how sad. ain't nothing changed. and i think a lot of good will come out of this i can see kids watching and knowing their are some things you can't say and if you do say it you get punished for it. you can't expell a child for using that word but not a grown woman. let's learn to have respect for everyone's culture it can't be that hard.

Should I ask express permission to view Chris Rocks stand up dvd's, or Richard Pryors ?

I'll quote Chris Rock if I may : "There are black men and there are n*****s, and I don't want to live near no n*****s"

Anyone who knows Chris Rock's work understands exactly what he means by that. In case anyone doesn't know Chris Rock - he is black, a stand up comedian and an actor

The word is also used as an insult by black people [I'll use Chris Rocks terms to best illustrate my point], so at what point does saying this word cease to be a "whites" only issue ?


I'll bang on about this til the cows come home - a word in and of itself is not racist, intent and context makes it racist.


Asking permission ??? - so, for instance you halt a party to ask permission to drunkenly sing along with a song that features certain words ??

This is just another step along society's path to the brink of collapse, we're either all equal or we are not.

If you wish to foist PC standards onto me, remember it goes both ways, but only one way is listened to in this country, only one way is actionable. The perfect climate for a backlash, and the scum of the BNP will be the only ones reaping the benefit and the reward

Come to think of it, calling me white could be construed as pretty damn offensive too, except for some albinos no-one is actually "white".

Caucasian is apparently the correct term.

When we decide who can and cannot use language under any and all circumstances, regardless of how benign those circumstances are - I suspect you will not enjoy the inevitable when it comes, and eventually it will. :sad:

A good post. But surely you understand what I'm trying to say. By the way, Chris Rock got into a lot of trouble for that routine within the black community. That routine is not the best one to quote.

My point is that the word is a very contentious word and my advise is don't use it.

From watching the footage, it was clear to me as a black man that Emily did not try and cause any offence. But the fact remains she should not have said it.

Also, the point of asking permission to sing a song with certain words in it is ridiculous. Of course no one is going to do that.

My point is that the word is a very sensitive word, it has many meanings, some of those meanings are highly offensive and be careful when you use it. you seem to be saying - I want to use this word why can't I Chris Rock uses it. Chris Rock can use the word because as black people we understand what he means. We don't understand what you mean when you use it.

This is an odd situation as on one hand, I am in complete agreement with those who say she had to be removed because she said it. the events of CBB5 made it a damned if I do damnned if I dont situation for C4

In the other hand I do not believe differentiating between one user of that word and another on grounds of ethnicity is going to do anything other than cause resentment against ethnic minorites.


I used the Chris Rock example specifically because he did get some flack from the black community in the US over it, but the thing is they understood exactly what he meant, as did I and I will surmise so did you when he used that word, he used it as an insult, which was my intent - though re-reading my post I did not make that clear, for which I apologise.

There are a number of prominent african americans who have spoken against the use of the word almost as a term of endearment, Chris Rock is one of them

My objection is simple, and apologies for the repetition, if it is the word itself that caused the offence and so the eviction, then she is not the only one who should be evicted.

Is equality to be more weighted against one ethnic group as opposed to another ? - thats a slippery road that leads, in this country, to the BNP and their ilk.

Thats a road I don't want to go down.

This is why it is not right for white ppl to use the word, they have no idea of the meaning of the word, the word for them does not come with the same emotions. There is a massive difference between someone calling you stupid and someone calling you a ******. How foolish to think there is not.

And why are ppl saying black ppl use it against white ppl, that makes no sense what black person would call a white person a ******. I dnt even understand that.

And in what way is it acceptable to be black and racist, where have we seen a black person be racist and get away with it for you to make such a comment?

If a black person said to me 'Wats up my *****?' i would not b offended as I would know they are not trying to be offensive in the slightest, if a white person said to me 'Wats up my *****?' i would be shocked and confused as i would not know how they were trying to be, were they being racist? were they taking the piss?

Anyone would have a hard time finding many black ppl offended by Charley's use of the word.

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For the above comment to have some form of truth about it this would suggest that 'black' people have 'power' in the white male hegemonistic British society. if anything, this is prejudice not discrimination. The N-Bomb is a historically vile word used by racists and pro-slavery peeps who didn't and don't know any better. BRAP!!! :mad:

The tone of voice that she used when saying it indicated that she didn't mean it!

And it doesn't give black people the right to say it either... stop making this a one sided argument... they are just at fault as white people are!

Thank god it isn't only me that see's this as one big setup!... Man you talk a lot of sense! :wink:

"The n-word is never vital to a rhyme or rap. And if that's the case, then find another word."
hmmmmm whats fiddy gonna use now that rhymes with "trigger" eh? lol

Bigger? :shrug: