Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10532561)

On a practical level how will the border be policed, NI style checkpoints, a Trump style wall :omgno: If Scotland does achieve independence and then subsequently gets accepted back into the EU, free movement will pose a significant problem?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10532556)

I'm thinking of all the jobs we can claw back. All the government departments that have moved to Scotland... the Mint and the DVLA in Wales... BBC Cymru… BBC Scotland... They surely don't think they'll keep all that if they leave the union?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10532556)

I'm thinking of all the jobs we can claw back. All the government departments that have moved to Scotland... the Mint and the DVLA in Wales... BBC Cymru… BBC Scotland... They surely don't think they'll keep all that if they leave the union?

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10532521)

Yes TS can afford new high taxes









Sign Of The Times.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10532631)

Which UK wide government departments have been moved to Scotland? :think:

And if the best argument still being trotted out for the UK being together is "The BBC!!"... I mean... Keep it? In fact forget Scottish Indy, take it anyway, the BBC is expensive trash and BBC Scotland is an actual joke even in comparison :joker:. Literally the only good thing the beeb still has going is Norton and it airs across the world so I'm sure it'll still air north of the border. So...

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10532644)

Well at least we agree on something.

DS are blaming everything on "female Doctor" even though the last series would be just as crap with even the most popular male Doctor.

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 10532555)

I am a strong admirer of Nicola Sturgeon.
I think she does a really good job as First Minister.

As for another independence vote, I think if she has that passed in Holyrood.
It's a disgrace the UK government could refuse it.

We have this English votes for English laws in Parliament now.
It would be shameful if the elected governing body of the Scottish devolved Parliament, was refused a new independence vote by English, Irish and Welsh MPs.

England does dictate to the rest of the UK.
With it's massively greater population as opposed to the 3 other, when it suits, so called 3 other equal Nations of the UK.

If I lived in Scotland, I'd be with Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP all the way on this.
Listening to the acidic comments I've witnessed from in the main the South of England against Scotland is frankly sickening.

Scotland has been taken for granted, and been the testing dumping ground of dubious policies by the 2 main Parties of the UK for way too long and it should be the case now that enough is enough now, as to that.
In my opinion.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10532631)

Which UK wide government departments have been moved to Scotland? :think:

And if the best argument still being trotted out for the UK being together is "The BBC!!"... I mean... Keep it? In fact forget Scottish Indy, take it anyway, the BBC is expensive trash and BBC Scotland is an actual joke even in comparison :joker:. Literally the only good thing the beeb still has going is Norton and it airs across the world so I'm sure it'll still air north of the border. So...

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10532647)

isn't the inland revenue HQ in Scotland? They can keep that :fan:

Originally Posted by James (Post 10532652)

I'm Scottish and I hope the UK government refuses another independence referendum. If the 2014 vote had gone the SNP's way they would have expected the result to have been treated as permanent.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10532664)

One of the main campaign platforms of the independence referendum was that "Remaining within the UK is the only way to guarantee continued EU membership for Scotland". Explicitly. Thus, exiting the EU is clear mandate for a second vote. If Scotland still chooses to stay in the UK (and in all honestly, if held today I think the vote would go more or less the same way) then that should be a clear message of the true national opinion but as things stand its totally botched.

I also have no idea where the idea that political votes are "one time only!" in a democracy comes from. :think:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10532623)

I think we all know that Brexit is going to end with some form of free trade and freedom of movement agreement so I can't see that being an issue.

Originally Posted by James (Post 10532670)

Yeah, that was a platform because it was made clear that if Scotland voted in favour of independence we'd be out of the EU, and would have to negotiate again to join.

The SNP and pro-independence folk were happy to accept that then as a consequence of a yes vote. You see I don't think they (SNP) are actually very pro-EU. It's just a political convenience to be that at the moment.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10532650)

They turned it into one of those CBBC shows that used to be on at 5pm before Neighbours, Marsh! And not top drawer stuff like golden age Byker Grove or The Queen's Nose... The really ropey ones.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10532635)

I mean there was also Doctor Who which everyone worried would be ruined by having a female Doctor, but the beeb proved us wrong by not ruining it with a female doctor and instead ruined it with ****ing abysmal writing and incompetent showrunning. £13.50 a month well spent!

Originally Posted by James (Post 10532652)

I'm Scottish and I hope the UK government refuses another independence referendum. If the 2014 vote had gone the SNP's way they would have expected the result to have been treated as permanent.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10532631)

Which UK wide government departments have been moved to Scotland? :think:

And if the best argument still being trotted out for the UK being together is "The BBC!!"... I mean... Keep it? In fact forget Scottish Indy, take it anyway, the BBC is expensive trash and BBC Scotland is an actual joke even in comparison :joker:. Literally the only good thing the beeb still has going is Norton and it airs across the world so I'm sure it'll still air north of the border. So...

Originally Posted by TomC (Post 10532696)

The SNP have been pro-EU for decades.

Originally Posted by James (Post 10532850)

For me the best thing about the BBC now is the news because they do try to be balanced, and look at both sides of an issue, even now when there is greater demand (with social media etc.) for news that reinforces whatever point-of-view people have.

I've personally kind of lost interest in a lot of television watching but a lot of people still like the BBC for the programmes, and the lack of advert interruptions.



They prioritised independence over EU membership in the 2014 referendum though, so I'm not buying it. :tongue:

Originally Posted by TomC (Post 10532942)

I’m doing a uni course on Scottish nationalism and I’m highly suspicious the tutor is a Tory, and despite this the course has only made me more pro-SNP

Originally Posted by James (Post 10532652)

I'm Scottish and I hope the UK government refuses another independence referendum. If the 2014 vote had gone the SNP's way they would have expected the result to have been treated as permanent.

Originally Posted by TomC (Post 10532942)

I’m doing a uni course on Scottish nationalism and I’m highly suspicious the tutor is a Tory, and despite this the course has only made me more pro-SNP