Just Jews in the 70s if you were to scared to tattoo a German swastika on your head.

And the sudden spike in new members when corbyn and his anti semetic friends came into power only points one way for me, and that is that labours new membership is predominantly made up of dumb skinhead types having a mid life crisis.

If you look at any statistic it really isn't a left leaning issue. I really don't know what your sources are that Labour is crawling with misogynists..
Are you really advocating disbanding a whole party due to 0.06% of the membership?

That's just nonsense, sorry.

Labour are institutionally racist end of

Oh come on :laugh: I have my issues with current Labour but that's clearly not true.

From the middle ground!.

Without doubt, there is, racism, sexism discrimination and corruption within all political parties within in the police within the army, in your place of work, pub, super market, basically it’s in every part of life.

You can pick a side but they are all the same just with different names.

:laugh: Oh dear. No I am not seriously advocating for that, it is basically what came to mind when trying to sort issues in my head. There IS no way to sort out the behaviour/views of members really, without stopping members joining fullstop, as obviously MPs cannot control the general public in that way..if anything, I was sticking up for Labour there, As people expect too much I think of political parties, you cannot mindcontrol someone just because they paid a fiver fee to join or whatever it is..its impossible. As such, you cannot blame Labour for there being some unsavoury characters in their ranks. Same as other parties tbh..

You could reasonably expect their MPs to not come out with questionable stuff. You cannot blame Corbyn for the behaviour of members. Put simply

Did not mean for that to be taken as a serious suggestion at all D:

Also..I have no sources for personal opinion/experience. Kind of thought that went without saying.

What I find interesting is that I previously outlined that antisemitism is on the rise across europe. I was asked to provide evidence of this, which I did, and yet faced with those facts, no-one made any further comment .... go figure

The rise in antisemitism is pretty obvious within the labour party. Numerous examples have been highlighted of Corbyn displaying this behaviour and of the labour party executive condoning it. I find it abhorrent that people try and make excuses for it or try to deflect from it happening.

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Great post. Attacks on Jews was up again last year, at a record high. If people don't think that's related to Labour's stance, then they should read more. And this from a Party who tell us constantly that not all Muslims are terrorists... but have a bit of a struggle understanding that not all Jews are Israeli.

Luciana Berger thought it was true and she was on the receiving end of it as a Jewish MP. It's one of the main reasons she left the party

£46.56 to join labour...the dearest of the 6 main parties..

Is that true? Wow.... that's a lot.

Is it really..I am sure I remember when the leadership vote was on, people complaining that all others had to do was pay a fiver to join, or something along those lines

I tend to learn something new each day, as he saying goes. This is the thing I have learnt, prof parm

From the guardian link..quite sure this is where I was getting mixed up

Assumed only proper members could vote on that, so thought the membership fee was very low.

I remember the "join the Labour party and vote in the leadership election for £3!" Lots of Labour supporters and supporters of other parties joined the Tories for the last leadership election, £25, hoping to vote. But you have to be a member for 3 months in the Tories before you're allowed to vote. I hear there were a lot of refunds requested.

Surely you get a badge as well for 3 quid.:shrug:

Only full members can vote in the Tory's leadership elections. Obviously Labour thinks differently these days.

A fish stinks from the head, and I think there's certainly a lot of antisemitism in Labour right now, but I don't think the party is "institutionally racist", especially when discounting the Corbyn crew

I do agree with that, it only really became a problem when Corbyn took over. And the Labour party's current stance emboldens anti-Semites... and so Jews are suffering more attacks year on year. It's being normalised.

Ah right sorry vicky yes of course I agree with you then, it's always being said that the membership is representative of a cross section of society as a whole ... in 540,000 people youre bound to encounter a few cranks.

Your personal opinion is valid of course but it would help to know what led you to think that in relation to labour and not other parties as we know they all have their faults.

That’s factually incorrect, most of the claims of antisemitism were made before and sat on until Jeremy took over, Jews aren’t being attacked because a minuscule percentage of labour members have been accused of antisemitism, what a ridiculous thing to say

i haven't said much of Labour, Corbyn in this thread

i don't support Labour with Corbyn as leader


i more like Labour like our dutch one my previous post on here had a lot of examples who we had as labour party leaders (some who ended up becoming our PM, or one time when Labour was a good allied party for the PM's party CDA, Ruud Lubbers's era)


and proof that our dutch labour isn't anti-semitic, well we had someone with jewish background as one of their leaders from 2010-2012 Job Cohen, who had that function joined with his role as mayor of amsterdam that time, he wasn't forced out, he left because he couldn't combine both roles and his heart belonged to amsterdam slightly more but he had brought his replacement for labour forward himself

Our Labour had Milliband up to 2015. And other prominent Jewish politicians
So I dont know if this is relevant way of judging anything