Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637645)

Exactly Ammi it is one small factor in the story of, when looking into it, it seems a deeply disturbed and probably quite dangerous individual. Why the hyper-focus on self-ID as though that's the over-riding issue with this person? They are abusing and manipulating the system to selfish and worrying ends but the message people are keen to be taken from it, is that the problem is with the entire concept of self-ID, and not the individual. People abuse legal systems literally every day, and they require tweaking and adapting to try to ensure that there are fewer and fewer loopholes... it doesn't require a "baby out with the bathwater" rejection of the entire concept, because the risk is quite clearly in going too far the other way, i.e. the requirement of medical or psychiatric confirmation of identity. And anyone who thinks that is a good idea has far too much faith in those professions. Psychology is a complex, diverse and ever-changing discipline and there is literally no such thing as a beyond-question "expert". The idea that someone's personal identity would need that "confirmed by a professional" to be taken seriously, is not a very comfortable route to go down.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10637647)

yes, he clearly is, the worrying issue is that he is able to exploit the imbalance in existing systems to perpetuate his behaviour and be protected by those systems at the same time. The fact that a section of the population has that much power over others should be worrying to everyone

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10637641)

This guy sounds like a pervert to me.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10637667)

I decided to google the story to see if I could find an article that covers the story without any bias towards or against transgenderism and I couldn't really find any articles. It seems like mainstream media hasn't really bothered with this story at all.

If the story is as it's reported then the person in question is indeed a predator and should be treated as such. They use the law to run their con and worse still, it seems like they might actually be a peadophile. It's kinda remarkable that this story hasn't been picked up by the media yet, with more spotlight the victims in this story might finally get their justice.

I do disagree with the headline of this article in particular though, while I agree with self ID'ing yourself as transgender shouldn't be something that can be enforced on others by law, I dislike how this article seems to use this pathetic excuse of a human being to **** on transgender rights as a whole.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10637697)

Its so extreme that he would more likely be facing a charge now if he weren't calling himself a woman, rather than being entertained by people who are fearful of repercussions

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10637702)

...Ricky Gervais is speaking out about this individual ....


https://kiwifarms.net/threads/ricky-...twitter.58756/

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637704)

:umm2: not KiwiFarms surely Ammi. Come on now.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637709)

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10637494)

The point of the matter is these new laws leave the door open for people like Yaniv to abuse, so why should trans rights trump womens rights and put them at risk?

Serious question TS, do you really think this is all about me being anti trans? I've always been pretty feminist, it's much more logical to assume that I'm just worried about womens rights. I'm sure I could go back a few years and find posts supporting Trans people pre Self IDing, If i tried. It is disappointing that you would think that about me I have to say

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637790)

I think the way these threads are brought up and presented do usually contain elements of literal transphobia, yes. You can disagree and dislike that opinion but I'm just calling it as I see it. And again I'm talking about literal phobia - I get that these things are legitimately rooted in fear not bigotry - but it's a fear that's often out of proportion with the actual level of risk. Extreme examples are used as if they are, or are ever likely to be, commonplace occurrences. Liek there being a predatory paedophile in Canada exploiting trans rights to their own ends means that it'll become a global free-for-all. It isn't rational.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637503)

I can accept that purely in the context of this thread, I may have gone in a little hard based on past experiences of these threads. Past threads on these topics have gone in a distinctly angry general anti-trans direction. I know there'll be people who will argue that they haven't, but for me that's not an opinion that's going to change.

I also can't agree that a thread about an obviously extreme example of a disturbed individual works well to support a general point. Does it mean things need to be looked at? Maybe, as a tiny fragment of a much broader discussion, but this is not the "Gotcha!!" moment that people want it to be. That would be like seeing a story about a dog attacking a child and announcing that "clearly" the regulations around dog ownership must be changed "and if you don't agree, you aren't considering the children".

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10637891)

But it is a gotcha moment. Not for trans people but in respect of the way courts handle these cases... its in Canada but it could just as easily be here. It's not in anyway phobic to voice a concern, being labelled phobic for having a say as a woman is wrong .

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10637667)

I decided to google the story to see if I could find an article that covers the story without any bias towards or against transgenderism and I couldn't really find any articles. It seems like mainstream media hasn't really bothered with this story at all.

If the story is as it's reported then the person in question is indeed a predator and should be treated as such. They use the law to run their con and worse still, it seems like they might actually be a peadophile. It's kinda remarkable that this story hasn't been picked up by the media yet, with more spotlight the victims in this story might finally get their justice.

I do disagree with the headline of this article in particular though, while I agree with self ID'ing yourself as transgender shouldn't be something that can be enforced on others by law, I dislike how this article seems to use this pathetic excuse of a human being to **** on transgender rights as a whole.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10637697)

Its so extreme that he would more likely be facing a charge now if he weren't calling himself a woman, rather than being entertained by people who are fearful of repercussions

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10637913)

If you watch the video at the end of the article it's an actual interview with yaniv, so maybe that might be helpful? It is worrying though as to why a story like this hasn't been picked up by mainstream media imo