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Marsh. 22-12-2019 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10739813)
usually spat with venom

Why lie?

Marsh. 22-12-2019 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 10739894)
Yes, I don’t see the point.
I have never felt the urge to have to tell anyone in passing I am a woman, never mind yet another label, a cis woman.:shrug:

This is an odd comment to make.

Who said you have to introduce yourself as a woman or cis woman? The term woman already exists and you never took issue with that one?

Cherie 22-12-2019 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10739997)
This is an odd comment to make.

Who said you have to introduce yourself as a woman or cis woman? The term woman already exists and you never took issue with that one?

Don't come for Mama Smudgie :oh:

Marsh. 22-12-2019 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10740024)
Don't come for Mama Smudgie :oh:

Too late!

*holds her in headlock*

Swan 22-12-2019 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10739996)
Why lie?

Lie? No there is definitely some kind of weird resentment from some.

Ant. 22-12-2019 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10740132)
Lie? No there is definitely some kind of weird resentment from some.

who

Swan 22-12-2019 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10740133)
who

Jessica

And i remember i made a comment about something on here a while back, and it was all 'typical cis white male' bs.

montblanc 22-12-2019 09:00 PM

it's literally a three letter word omg

Swan 22-12-2019 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by montblanc (Post 10740140)
it's literally a three letter word omg

I know, if people actually read my OP they'll see i'm not arsed if people wanna call me cis, whatever who cares. I made this thread wanting to explore how some of the other terms can legitimately work, like genderfluid for example. But of course people will jump on the smallest thing and see it as someone 'snowflaking' or 'playing the victim'..Seriously call me cis all you like, it ha no baring whatsoever.

Ant. 22-12-2019 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10740134)
Jessica

And i remember i made a comment about something on here a while back, and it was all 'typical cis white male' bs.

can you find the comment(s) as to where she refers to you as "cis", though? She used it a few times, yes, but never to specifically refer to you

And can you explain how it was "spat with venom"?

Ant. 22-12-2019 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10740142)
I know, if people actually read my OP they'll see i'm not arsed if people wanna call me cis, whatever who cares. I made this thread wanting to explore how some of the other terms can legitimately work, like genderfluid for example. But of course people will jump on the smallest thing and see it as someone 'snowflaking' or 'playing the victim'..Seriously call me cis all you like, it ha no baring whatsoever.

but you seem arsed by people using the other terms you linked to in the OP... :laugh2:

Josy 22-12-2019 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by montblanc (Post 10740140)
it's literally a three letter word omg

A 3 letter word that's completely pointless and just further adds to labelling which is odd since so many profess to be so against any kind of labelling these days.

I was born a woman and don't see the need to now describe myself in any way as a 'cis' woman. I'm a woman end of.

Oliver_W 22-12-2019 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10740142)
I know, if people actually read my OP they'll see i'm not arsed if people wanna call me cis, whatever who cares. I made this thread wanting to explore how some of the other terms can legitimately work, like genderfluid for example. But of course people will jump on the smallest thing and see it as someone 'snowflaking' or 'playing the victim'..Seriously call me cis all you like, it ha no baring whatsoever.

lol no-one takes stuff like "genderfluid" seriously, it's fine.

But as others have said, cis is a descriptor. Women and transwomen are different, and in some cases people will only be referring to one of these - "cis women's issues" are different to "transwomen's issues", while "women's issues" can refer to both.

Ant. 22-12-2019 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 10740149)
A 3 letter word that's completely pointless and just further adds to labelling which is odd since so many profess to be so against any kind of labelling these days.

I was born a woman and don't see the need to now describe myself in any way as a 'cis' woman. I'm a woman end of.

you're right!! you don't need to. but it's just an shorter way to say "born a woman". if you don't wanna call yourself "cis" that's chill it's just a new-coined term that some people don't mind being called

Josy 22-12-2019 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10740154)
you're right!! you don't need to. but it's just an shorter way to say "born a woman". if you don't wanna call yourself "cis" that's chill it's just a new-coined term that some people don't mind being called

And that's great that you can see it both ways and are fine with that, if only others thought the same way.

Morgan. 22-12-2019 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10740150)
lol no-one takes stuff like "genderfluid" seriously, it's fine.

But as others have said, cis is a descriptor. Women and transwomen are different, and in some cases people will only be referring to one of these - "cis women's issues" are different to "transwomen's issues", while "women's issues" can refer to both.

Are you done being edgy yet lmao

Barry. 22-12-2019 09:18 PM

Didn't know cis was that.

Ant. 22-12-2019 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 10740158)
And that's great that you can see it both ways and are fine with that, if only others thought the same way.

tbf i refer to (some of) Oliver's point - i don't really see people 'forcing' cis as a label. just as a descriptor. like i don't really see anyone 'forcing' the label of 'cis' on people and it's only really brought up to compare and contrast issues between people who are trans and people who were born in the body they're comfortable with. i don't actively see people walking around saying "so you're a cis man?" or the whatnot. but my experience isn't universal

on the contrary i've seen some people (who would probably be against that notion) tell bisexual people that they're either "gay" or "straight" and can't be both - trying to force a label which doesn't correlate to their identity. Point being, it's a shame that people can't respect labels no matter the context or how unheard of the label is

Swan 22-12-2019 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10740145)
but you seem arsed by people using the other terms you linked to in the OP... :laugh2:

Oh wow you're really digging aren't you lol. No i just wonder how something like gender fluid (which is pretty ridiculous imo) could even work in the real world?

I know stuff like that words in the uni/colleges/safe spaces bubble, but is far from practical in the real word, and is open to so many people abusing genderfluid 'ness;

Ant. 22-12-2019 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10740167)
Oh wow you're really digging aren't you lol. No i just wonder how something like gender fluid (which is pretty ridiculous imo) could even work in the real world?

I know stuff like that words in the uni/colleges/safe spaces bubble, but is far from practical in the real word, and is open to some many people abusing genderfluid 'ness;

digging? how?

surely you should lead with questions such as "how would the term 'gender fluid' work in the real world?" rather than just saying "some terms" are complete overkill. I genuinely don't understand your OP. You say you're called cis, you looked it up, and found some terms which are 'perfectly reasonable' and some which are 'complete overkill'. how is anyone meant to understand what you created the thread for if that's your lead :suspect:

Swan 22-12-2019 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10740168)
digging? how?

surely you should lead with questions such as "how would the term 'gender fluid' work in the real world?" rather than just saying "some terms" are complete overkill. I genuinely don't understand your OP. You say you're called cis, you looked it up, and found some terms which are 'perfectly reasonable' and some which are 'complete overkill'. how is anyone meant to understand what you created the thread for if that's your lead :suspect:

Well because the whole being labelled cis thing is what sparked my curiosity, i gave my thread some back story as to why i created the thread. I gave some context, i thought some might appreciate that more, apologies if you didn't :)

Ant. 22-12-2019 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10740172)
Well because the whole being labelled cis thing is what sparked my curiosity, i gave my thread some back story as to why i created the thread. I gave some context, i thought some might appreciate that more, apologies if you didn't :)

I do appreciate the context.

But where is the purpose in the OP? That is what I was asking, apologies if that wasn't clear:)

Ant. 22-12-2019 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10740144)
can you find the comment(s) as to where she refers to you as "cis", though? She used it a few times, yes, but never to specifically refer to you

And can you explain how it was "spat with venom"?

are u gonna reply to this or

Swan 22-12-2019 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant. (Post 10740176)
are u gonna reply to this or

i can't remember what thread i was in, but it was probably a month or so ago, i'll go through some of my old posts, just for you :)

Ant. 22-12-2019 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan (Post 10740178)
i can't remember what thread i was in, but it was probably a month or so ago, i'll go through some of my old posts, just for you :)

You're too kind


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