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Kazanne 03-05-2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10824681)
yes very disappointing, given people still seem to be trying to get their head around lock down, I heard some chap on the radio yesterday asking how long he could go out and exercise for :facepalm: like use your common sense, and given we are heading for at least 3 more weeks of lockdown, to start talking about an exit strategy now would confuse the thickos I am afraid.

KFC, Burger King, and Pret are opening for deliveries today, so that is part of an exit strategy but it doesn't need trumpeting....ITS AN EXIT STRATEGY..

He needs to start reading the public mood, until the death rate is significantly lower the public do not want schools open etc

Its reported Piers Corbyn Jeremys brother)is wanting the lockdown lifted too, whats the matter with these people who want to rush into things.

arista 03-05-2020 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10835320)
Its reported Piers Corbyn Jeremys brother)is wanting the lockdown lifted too, whats the matter with these people who want to rush into things.

He Should go on TV news
and debate that with Clever Dr. Smith.

Kazanne 03-05-2020 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10835324)
He Should go on TV news
and debate that with Clever Dr. Smith.

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/...NmmiYlZ_wNp3W0
Forgot to post the link.

Oliver_W 03-05-2020 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10835320)
Its reported Piers Corbyn Jeremys brother)is wanting the lockdown lifted too, whats the matter with these people who want to rush into things.

It takes a lot of work to be the worst Piers and the worst Corbyn!

arista 03-05-2020 02:56 PM

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img...=1568050508625
P. Corbyn , 73

arista 03-05-2020 02:59 PM

https://i2-prod.somersetlive.co.uk/i...ers-corbyn.png

arista 03-05-2020 05:03 PM


arista 06-05-2020 03:17 PM

[Labour general secretary Jennie Formby resigns
after bombshell antisemitism report leak
She said she applied for the role two years ago
"to support Jeremy Corbyn" but with new leader
Sir Keir Starmer in place "it is the right time to step down".]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-ge...-leak-11982942

arista 06-05-2020 03:42 PM

todays PMQ's



Oliver_W 06-05-2020 03:45 PM

Sir Kier was great in PMQs. A lack of a noisy audience really shines a light on Boris' bluster.

arista 19-05-2020 10:35 AM

Jon Lansman stands down as leader of left-wing group Momentum


[The 62-year-old said the time had come
for the organisation to be led by a new
generation of activists in an article written
for the Labour List website.
"We are now a mass of dedicated activists
fighting for a better world.
And in this new era, it is time that a new generation
of leaders put their ideas into practice,"
he wrote.]

https://news.sky.com/story/jon-lansm...entum-11989640

Oliver_W 19-05-2020 10:38 AM

Sir Kier's brand of Labour is also fighting for a better world, so I'd be interested to see if Momentum's new leader will get behind him, or continue to fight for Corbynistic causes.

arista 20-05-2020 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10843587)
Sir Kier's brand of Labour is also fighting for a better world, so I'd be interested to see if Momentum's new leader will get behind him, or continue to fight for Corbynistic causes.


That new person Must get behind
the Labour leader,
there is no other way.

Oliver_W 20-05-2020 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10843896)
That new person Must get behind
the Labour leader,
there is no other way.

Not necessarily :shrug: Are they even a labour supporting group? I thought they were just a left wing organisation who just happened to be supporting Labour because Corbyn was the current leader.

user104658 20-05-2020 08:09 AM

There's no appetite for Corbyn's harder, more old-fashioned socialism. It's been tested, twice, and it's just not getting the votes. If there's ever to be any hope of a UK with more upward social mobility and support for the disabled, low incomes, etc. Labour needs to embrace a more modern, sensible form of wealth redistribution. A pledge to fix UC would be a start.

arista 22-05-2020 08:01 AM


Oliver_W 11-06-2020 11:08 AM

He's really effective, makes one wish he was leading the Labour party when they were against a minority government. He could have been the de facto PM!

user104658 11-06-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10844755)

The mental health situation is going to be horrendous. I honestly don't think it would be possible to over-estimate... and it's going to be a delayed effect too because people tend to hold it together for a while, and then avoid seeking help for a while longer. There's going to be a steadily increasing strain on MH and addiction services for the next few years.

joeysteele 11-06-2020 12:06 PM

He was in no way again my choice for leader of the Party.
Actually I'm rarely impressed by any leaders of Parties in the UK.
Apart from Nicola Sturgeon who I've admired, for her honesty and genuine compassion on the losses of elderly lives likely unnecessarily in this pandemic.

However Starmer is effective, I like how he sticks clinically to the points he makes at PMQs.
Johnson's usual clouding the water bluster cannot really surface and he always appears to be struggling to answer Starmer.

The criticisms of the handling of this pandemic may be a little premature.
This is a nightmare for any government to have had to deal with.
I'm sure no one ever hoped or wanted to have to.
I think this government set out with good intentions to deal with it.
Rishi Sunak particularly who is the Government light in this for me.

The question I want asked at the more terminal point of this pandemic however.
Is why?
When we had Hancock saying in January that we had a great test for this virus.
Why it was stated we were prepared for it.

Then after all the forewarnings of what transpired in Italy, with Italy saying it would be coming across Europe to the UK.

Why, with that forewarning in January and February, how instead of being able to avoid the holes Italy found itself in.
We ended up in those same holes and sinking deeper.

Hindsight isn't the issue here, we had all that forewarning of what was coming.

Then had the farce of the shocking protection equipment.
The scandal of those in supposed care homes, being virtually sacrificed carelessly.

The failure to protect care staff also NHS Doctors and Nurses.
Not to mention other public service workers too.

These questions need answering in the future and this is where, with his analytical and clinical style of presentation, Starmer must and I now believe can shine.
Although it's a really sad set of results to have to do so on.

Starmer wasn't my choice as I said however I like how he's performing so far definitely.

A long, really long way to go but, he could spring many surprises.
Social changes have to come in the UK.
I think people are starting to see the failures across the board on those issues.
Social care, mental health also however social justice too.
Starmer is on the right track, at least for now.

Kizzy 11-06-2020 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10843910)
There's no appetite for Corbyn's harder, more old-fashioned socialism. It's been tested, twice, and it's just not getting the votes. If there's ever to be any hope of a UK with more upward social mobility and support for the disabled, low incomes, etc. Labour needs to embrace a more modern, sensible form of wealth redistribution. A pledge to fix UC would be a start.

That's not true. He was around 3000 votes short of winning in 2017 despite the media. The lies were cranked to max for the next election.

bots 11-06-2020 12:47 PM

we need an effective opposition, something we sadly lacked when Corbyn was around. Politically, labour and the tories are poles apart, so they will never agree. I just don't think we have true political heavyweights around at the moment, when we really need them. They all seem to be career politicians or completely incompetent.

Oliver_W 11-06-2020 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10860783)
That's not true. He was around 3000 votes short of winning in 2017 despite the media. The lies were cranked to max for the next election.

The number of votes aren't what counts, we don't elect our PMs. It's seats that decide who becomes PM.

Kizzy 11-06-2020 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10860800)
The number of votes aren't what counts, we don't elect our PMs. It's seats that decide who becomes PM.

Yes and he was a couple of thousand votes short for the seats needed to win. Considering the vendetta against him he almost won.
I'm aware of how voting works thankyou.

arista 29-06-2020 06:00 AM

Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM

Cherie 29-06-2020 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10871599)
Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM

Good interview, he has a likeable personality and he is doing well in the polls, Labour members must be happy?


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